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The thing about terror attacks by minorities is that it’s not as simple as saying the majority group did x more.

For instance, imagine that people named Bob made up 50% of the population. All things being even, you would imagine that 50% of the crime committed was committed by someone named Bob.
Now, imagine that people named Cleria made up 0.1% of the population. But, if they made up 1% of the crime committed by the total population, that’s an issue. It means those named Cleria are 10 times more likely to commit crime than should be expected.
See the point?
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Apparently it is more “gang-related” in London, it’s not only a way to control women and girls.

I read that Colombia is also a hot-spot for acid violence, which I don’t think is heavily Muslim, right?
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What, precisely, are you trying to infer by “not only a way to control women and girls?” When would it “only” be a way to do that?

Why would the fact that it is “gang related” necessarily rule out Muslim perpetrators?

There seems to be a few gaps in your reasoning here. Please fill those in.

The correlation between the number of acid attacks in certain areas and the higher proportion of Muslims in those areas does need to be accounted for. Perhaps you can fill in that more significant point that you seem to want to sidestep.

Of course we could chalk it up to mere “talking heads” spouting off, but that doesn’t seem to account for anything except, perhaps, a penchant to keep one’s eyes wide shut, which didn’t seem to be very effective, for example, when the Rotherham sex exploitation ring was operating for seven years before anything was done because many of the authorities in positions to act didn’t want to be accused of racism.
The Times articles, along with the trial in 2012 of the Rochdale child sex abuse ring, prompted the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee to hold hearings. Following this and further articles from Norfolk, Rotherham Council commissioned an independent inquiry led by Professor Alexis Jay. In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children, most of them white girls aged 11–15, had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men. A “common thread” was that taxi drivers had been picking the children up for sex from care homes and schools. The abuse included gang rape, forcing children to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, and trafficking them to other towns. There were pregnancies—one at age 12—terminations, miscarriages, babies raised by their mothers, and babies removed, causing further trauma.

The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class and gender—contemptuous and sexist attitudes toward the mostly working-class victims; fear that the perpetrators’ ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism and damage community relations; the Labour council’s reluctance to challenge a Labour-voting ethnic minority; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town’s reputation; and lack of training and resources.
Source: Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia
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HarryStotle said:
The correlation between the number of acid attacks in certain areas and the higher proportion of Muslims in those areas does need to be accounted for.
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Let’s be entirely clear here. The higher proportion of attacks in areas with higher Muslim populations does not necessarily entail that Muslim individuals are the perpetrators of those attacks. It could be that Muslims are being targeted.

However, those who propose this as a possibility seem to present only one or two highly publicized cases without looking at the whole picture. Why isn’t there a full blown investigation into causes and motivations?

The issue, as far as I can tell, is that many do not want to find the truth out because it may lead to awkward implications that people in the position to actually do something simply do not want that responsibility for fear of what it will entail. Better to hide behind a lack of disclosure or accusations of racism if anyone even hints at there being a possible problem.

Whatever happened to courage, justice and truth?
 
HarryStotle said:
Whatever happened to courage, justice and truth?
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It’s dead in Western Europe. Fact is in refugee camps Muslim women sleep with their street clothes because they know they’ll get sexually assaulted otherwise and the police and NGO workers won’t help them because it might cast a bad light on Islam or make the workers/cop look racist.
 
Harry,

Two things:

One, your source seems to be an ultra-right wing conspiracy “mag”, and
Two, the site is gone!

Stuart
 
stuartbrianhenlis said:
Harry,

Two things:

One, your source seems to be an ultra-right wing conspiracy “mag”, and
Two, the site is gone!

Stuart
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Two responses:

One, the genetic fallacy was still a fallacy when I last checked. So is an ad 'mag’inem – a species of ad hominem, red herring or poisoning the well which likely includes an appeal to motive, a bit of tone policing and definitely the traitorous critic fallacy (ergo decedo).
Two, no it isn’t!

I choose my sources carefully to get a sense of how far responders will go to avoid coming up with an actual argument. Your move is typical of progressive leftism.

At this point, feigned offense is your next goto – kind of like progressively moving out from the middle of the teeter-totter to balance what’s on the other side. If all you can see is extreme rightism, it might be because your ‘lenses’ have been crafted by extreme leftism.

How about just discussing the data and seriously try explaining it? Oh, yes, the data might be flawed or cherry-picked by the “ultra” right wing author, so here is your chance to produce better data. Show that ergo decedo isn’t your one-trick pony, so to speak.

Harry
 
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I don’t understand. All I meant was to say was that the web site wasn’t online any longer. Nothing more.

Stuart
 
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stuartbrianhenlis said:
I don’t understand. All I meant was to say was that the web site wasn’t online any longer. Nothing more.

Stuart
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You did say, “Two things.” Now you want to claim you said only one thing? 🤔

Well, okay. Suit yourself.

The website, as I pointed out in my response to you, is STILL online.
 
(Sorry, I cannot make the bold go away: )

Now, now, Harry,
I meant to say that most people think of acid throwing mainly in the following way:

In parts of South Asia, acid attacks often occur as revenge against a
woman who rejects a proposal of marriage or a sexual advance.[18][19] Acid attacks have been used to punish married women if her family is unable or unwilling to pay additional dowry demanded by the husband or his family.[20] Such attacks are common in societies where there is a high level of gender inequality and women occupy a subordinate position in relation to men.[21]​

I realize that often acid attacks are part of Islamic culture, and men controlling and “punishing” women and girls. However, it appears in London the acid attacks are ALSO being perpetrated by non-Muslims, sometimes are part of gang-related crime. Can you understand that better now, what I wrote earlier?
  • A pair robbers who laughed after squirting corrosive cleaning fluid at two
    women have been jailed for 10 years for the “horrifying, cruel and barbaric”
    attacks.Rapper Sadik Kamara, 24, aka Trizzy Trapz, and Joshua Jordan, 20, both of
    Newham, east London, used the noxious liquid to instil terror in their
    vulnerable victims.
  • Resham Khan and Jameel Muhktar had been out celebrating Ms Khan’s
    21st birthday on 21 June when they were attacked in Beckton, east
    London.John Tomlin, of Colman Road, Canning Town, previously pleaded guilty to two lesser charges of GBH in October.
 
Schism is very very close to us. I can’t imagine the pain that is going on inside well formed faithful priests and bishops, watching their peers rip the church apart.

Mary, guide us.
Mary, guide us.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
Can you understand that better now, what I wrote earlier?
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Oh, I understood it the first time, but it still doesn’t show what you think it does. The critical question is: Which group (loosely stated) is responsible for MOST of the acid attacks? The fact that you can pick a couple of big news items and point to the fact that some of the attacks are gang related, does not establish with certainty why the majority of the attacks are occurring. The difference would be between explaining completely and explaining away. Apparently, that distinction is ill-understood.

I suppose this needed to be spelled out even though it seemed obvious.

The article I posted regarding the correlation between frequency of acid attacks in certain districts and the high Muslim populations in those areas hasn’t been addressed yet, has it?

Kindly stop insinuating that I am clueless about your points when, in fact, your points aren’t actually addressing the issue I raised.
 
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