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BobCatholic
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Where does it say that everything we Christians are to believe MUST be in the Bible? First, we need to have the Bible defined in the scriptures
Should I ask you my infamous 4 questions? The Catholic Answers site IS an excellent resource about Catholics explaining their doctrines. I take it you didn’t bother reading any of it, right? Why? Why the fear?
Translation in to English:
“it gives word, answer for answer, on why the Catholic Church disagrees with my ‘100% infallible’ interpretation of the scriptures, which I confuse with the scriptures.”
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Boomer_Sooner
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Haha – that sure was a “crafty” technique to get us all to click on that link. 
Plz, I suggest you spend a lot of time here on the Catholic Answers website. It literally has answers to *all * of those claims.
Secondly, if you like to read – and are sincerely searching for Truth – I highly recommend: Karl Keating’s book Catholicism and Fundamentalism or Where We Got The Bible by Henry Graham.
Those books really helped me while I was searching for the Truth, and ultimately… I converted to Catholicism.
Plz, I suggest you spend a lot of time here on the Catholic Answers website. It literally has answers to *all * of those claims.Secondly, if you like to read – and are sincerely searching for Truth – I highly recommend: Karl Keating’s book Catholicism and Fundamentalism or Where We Got The Bible by Henry Graham.
Those books really helped me while I was searching for the Truth, and ultimately… I converted to Catholicism.
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quasimodo
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Looks like good 'ole Plz(etc) has run off and does not want to play any more. I know bats and belfries and I think we have seen some.
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Plzxplainwbcv
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thats just it! it doesnt’ NEED an outside authority!
2 Peter 1:3- :His divine power has given us EVERYTHING we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him"
I Cor. 14:37- “If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command”
2 Timothy 3:15- " ALL *SCRIPTURE *is God breathe and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training righteousness
Cols 2:8 tell us not to go in tradition
How can the Pope be the head of the church? When clearly Jesus Christ is the Head…and the ONLY head!? [eph. 1:22-23]
And praying to saints how can you justify that?
It is in Christ name that we pray…the ONLY way to get to the Father (GOD) is thru Christ… (I Timothy 2:5, I John 2:1-2) and only GOD can forgive us of our sins (MK 2:7-12) not a Priest.
A priest is no higher on Christ ladder than anyone…he is but a mortal man.
No where does the Bible teach about purgatory.
Just answer me those…but i guess we’ll never have a resoultion because obviously we can’t get past that the Bible is the only inspired Word of Christ.
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Plzxplainwbcv
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again where did the idea come from that something other than the Bible was needed??!?!?
as far as the ladder…that was just for a visual reference…no more than that…
yes we ask others to pray for us,…for example "Dear Lord, i pray to you that you will be with _____ in his time of need, lord i pray that you will look over _____ and all that she/he does…in CHRIST name, Amen…
But you also claim to pray to the Saints…? And where does it teach that we are to make people Saints?
The bible does not claim to contain the entire deposit of faith .In fact it say it does not contain all of Christ’s doings.
Says who?!?!But the Bible does state that the original apostles received ALL the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the SCIPTURES.
and you are doing nothing but twisitng my words around…people can pray for you, but they cannot bless your or forgive you for your sins, and no where does it say that Priest is the one that can forgive you for your sins, repent of your sins and your will be forgiven, public sins you are to confess and you will be forgiven…
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Chris_W
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Plz Xplain,
Again, I make the request that you pick a topic for this thread. You are all over the map. I am sure there are many here, including myself, who are happy to discuss each topic with you, but we’ve got to pick one to start with or this will never get anywhere.
Here’s one potential topic:
You asked, “again where did the idea come from that something other than the Bible was needed??!?!?”
This would be a good starting place. Shall we discuss whether or not the Bible is self-sufficient?
Again, I make the request that you pick a topic for this thread. You are all over the map. I am sure there are many here, including myself, who are happy to discuss each topic with you, but we’ve got to pick one to start with or this will never get anywhere.
Here’s one potential topic:
You asked, “again where did the idea come from that something other than the Bible was needed??!?!?”
This would be a good starting place. Shall we discuss whether or not the Bible is self-sufficient?
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Salmon
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Scripture answers your own question at: Scripture Catholic
People don’t make people saints. God makes people saints. You do have some incorrect understandings about the Catholic faith.
God may let us know when He has welcomed someone into heaven, and that knowledge may be made public, but Catholics believe only God can make someone a saint.
The bible does not claim to contain the entire deposit of faith .In fact it say it does not contain all of Christ’s doings.
Scripture tells us that. Check out your KJV:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Where does it say in scripture that the apostles wrote EVERYTHING down? Note: I expect you to ignore this question.
Sacrament of Confession in Scripture
Apostolic Succession in Scripture
I hope that answers all your questions.
Peace in Christ…Salmon
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yochumjy
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Where did the idea come from where all you need is the Bible??!?!?!? There was no bible when the apostles were teaching, there were letters and oral teaching, nothing else.
It is YOUR assumption that the apostles wrote EVERYTHING down in the scriptures, nowhere is this written in the bible.
Actually, it is in the bible
James 5:14-16.
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Is anyone among you sick? 6 He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint (him) with oil in the name of the Lord,
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and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven. 7
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Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.
This, of course, helps to cover both the Catholic Church’s annointing of the sick (by priests) and the confession of sins to a person. Obviously, we wouldn’t want to just confess to anyone, they would have to be appointed through God’s church, so this would be a priest.
Hope this helps you,
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Tom
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The Bible itself says “not all is written here”
So what do you think we do when we pray to Mary and the saints? Something different? We pray for their intercession, for them to pray for us. Same thing.
We don’t “make people saints” they are a fact, Jesus met with two of them in the garden, remember?
Again the Bible says itself, several times.
No they didn’t, oh my, you need some study
Plz, read Karls Keatings book, Catholicism and Fundamentalism, you’ve been brainwashed
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Calvin
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How do you know what counts as scripture?
In context, Paul was probably referring to the Jewish scriptures in this verse. How do you get the New Testament? Revelations hadn’t even been written when Paul wrote this, how do you know Revelations counts? What about the Gospel of Thomas, how do you know the Gospel of Thomas doesn’t count? Show me, from Scripture, how to get to the 66 books of the Bible.
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Plzxplainwbcv
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Scripture tells us that. Check out your KJV:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
I’m sure…and if God wanted them to be taught or really studied, he would have included them…obviously they were not needed…because the Bible is complete…all apostles are dead, so there is no one who can now claim to be able to have the authority to write down more than what is in the Bible…and since you belive there is ‘another source’ when was authoritygiven to and who…to write something more?
“Where does it say in scripture that the apostles wrote EVERYTHING down? Note: I expect you to ignore this question”
John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20,27; Matt 28:20; I Cor. 14:37; 2 Timothy. 3:16,17.
and for the person that stated i had just left, and refused to respond…i do work from 9-4 daily…and just so there will be no confusion i will be out of town for a week…please make note…
The Bible itself says “not all is written here”
It might not ALL be written here, but what is needed is written in the Bible, who are we to try and add to the Bible?
So what do you think we do when we pray to Mary and the saints? Something different? We pray for their intercession, for them to pray for us. Same thing.
Where is it said Mary is to be praised, as the praise the catholic church gives her? And where does it mention that saints are able to pray for anyone? here on earth you can pray for yourself, and when you pray for someone you are still just giving it all to God…what makes someone a saint? where is this found?
No they didn’t, oh my, you need some study
Plz, read Karls Keatings book, you’ve been brainwashed
i have not been brainwashed, i’ve studied scripture for myself, and have no book written by modern man to go side by side with God’s inspired Word… and reading the book wouldn’t help, it seems that you might wanna be a little more open minded…i’m just simply trying ot gain an understanding…but its not all adding up…
Salmon:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
I’m sure…and if God wanted them to be taught or really studied, he would have included them…obviously they were not needed…because the Bible is complete…all apostles are dead, so there is no one who can now claim to be able to have the authority to write down more than what is in the Bible…and since you belive there is ‘another source’ when was authoritygiven to and who…to write something more?
“Where does it say in scripture that the apostles wrote EVERYTHING down? Note: I expect you to ignore this question”
John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20,27; Matt 28:20; I Cor. 14:37; 2 Timothy. 3:16,17.
and for the person that stated i had just left, and refused to respond…i do work from 9-4 daily…and just so there will be no confusion i will be out of town for a week…please make note…
The Bible itself says “not all is written here”
It might not ALL be written here, but what is needed is written in the Bible, who are we to try and add to the Bible?
So what do you think we do when we pray to Mary and the saints? Something different? We pray for their intercession, for them to pray for us. Same thing.
Where is it said Mary is to be praised, as the praise the catholic church gives her? And where does it mention that saints are able to pray for anyone? here on earth you can pray for yourself, and when you pray for someone you are still just giving it all to God…what makes someone a saint? where is this found?
No they didn’t, oh my, you need some study
Plz, read Karls Keatings book, you’ve been brainwashed
i have not been brainwashed, i’ve studied scripture for myself, and have no book written by modern man to go side by side with God’s inspired Word… and reading the book wouldn’t help, it seems that you might wanna be a little more open minded…i’m just simply trying ot gain an understanding…but its not all adding up…
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Calvin
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Dude,
Mormons believe that the scriptures were gold plates found in the ground. Muslims believe every word in the Koran was dictated to Muhommed.
Where do you think the Bible (66 books from Genesis to Revelation) comes from? Did it fall from the sky? Was it on stone tablets written by the finger of God?
The Bible is not one book but many books. How do you know if any have been left out? How do you determine which ones were included? How do you know Scripture can’t be written today? Explain why 3 John is Scripture.
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Mormons believe that the scriptures were gold plates found in the ground. Muslims believe every word in the Koran was dictated to Muhommed.
Where do you think the Bible (66 books from Genesis to Revelation) comes from? Did it fall from the sky? Was it on stone tablets written by the finger of God?
The Bible is not one book but many books. How do you know if any have been left out? How do you determine which ones were included? How do you know Scripture can’t be written today? Explain why 3 John is Scripture.
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Tom
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So you’re saying Scripture says NOT all is written. That’s what we say.
Jesus “opened” all of the Scriptures to His Apostles. I’d love to read those explainations, wher are they in Scripture, or do you suppose they aren’t important?
You just said the Bible is not complete " And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written"
Wrong, Jesus gave this authority to Peter and His Apostles, and promised that the gates of hell would not pervail against His Church
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Plzxplainwbcv
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Originally Posted by Plzxplainwbcv
*Scripture tells us that. Check out your KJV:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. *
So you’re saying Scripture says NOT all is written. That’s what we say.
this is not my quote…
*Scripture tells us that. Check out your KJV:
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. *
So you’re saying Scripture says NOT all is written. That’s what we say.
this is not my quote…
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Salmon
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“Where does it say in scripture that the apostles wrote EVERYTHING down? Note: I expect you to ignore this question”
Plzxplainwbcv :
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Acts 20
20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Acts 20
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Matthew 28
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles WRITING EVERYTHING down in scripture.
1 Corinthians 14
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
2 Timothy 3
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Please explain how Paul expected Timothy to know whom Jannes and Jambres were? From the scriptures? Hah. They are not mentioned in the scriptures. They were part of the ORAL TRADITION that was held necessary by the Jews to understand the scriptures.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Question: What is Paul referring to as “the holy scriptures” which Timothy had known since childhood? The writings of the apostles? Hah. Paul is referring to the Old Testament.
So, what is he referring to in the next two verses that you cite as evidence?
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
It might have been better if you had ignored the question.
Plzxplainwbcv:
Plzxplainwbcv :
John 16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Acts 20
20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Acts 20
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
Matthew 28
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles WRITING EVERYTHING down in scripture.
1 Corinthians 14
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Nope. This says nothing about the apostles writing EVERYTHING down in scripture.
2 Timothy 3
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Please explain how Paul expected Timothy to know whom Jannes and Jambres were? From the scriptures? Hah. They are not mentioned in the scriptures. They were part of the ORAL TRADITION that was held necessary by the Jews to understand the scriptures.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Question: What is Paul referring to as “the holy scriptures” which Timothy had known since childhood? The writings of the apostles? Hah. Paul is referring to the Old Testament.
So, what is he referring to in the next two verses that you cite as evidence?
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
It might have been better if you had ignored the question.
Plzxplainwbcv:
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darcee
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Plzxplainwbcv said:
Considering this, in light of your other posts, is obviously false why should anyone here listen to you. You are deceitful.
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Plzxplainwbcv
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Salmon said:
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