Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

[Thorolfr]

Please tell us what religions believe this. I am not familiar with any except the Westboro Baptist Church group and I don’t recall them calling for murdering people. They have said that some folks are going to hell for their beliefs, but specifically, which religions advocate the killing of LGBT people?

Leviticus 20:13: “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

 

[GaryTaylor]

Yep, I can see how this can help explain a little bias toward favoring Islamic terror. The people of the Taliban, lets see now … are they Islamic terrorists?

The WH is only talking “act of terror” and gun safety as usual. In fact CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood just released the usual Isis isn’t Islamic statement to coincide with Obama. They are dualing Banjos, right on cue together. How is the Muslim Brotherhood different from isis?

 

[josie_L]

Leviticus 20:13: “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.”

I didn’t realize as a Christian I was meant to follow the whole of Mosaic law.

 

[grotto]

No they haven’t and there is no place in this discussion to bring up Christians being referred to in relation. This is too sad and terrible a situation to agitate.

(referring to earlier post)

 

[ArielRussu]

Please tell us what religions believe this. I am not familiar with any except the Westboro Baptist Church group and I don’t recall them calling for murdering people. They have said that some folks are going to hell for their beliefs, but specifically, which religions advocate the killing of LGBT people?

There was a Catholic youth group many years back I heard about, in Maine I think, who went to a gay mans house, beat up him up, dangled him over a bridge then threw him over all the while laughing at him, calling him Fag and other homosexual slur names and telling him he was going to Hell. The man died. They justified there action with Leviticus.

My Catholic youth group leader, who had heard the priest say this at Mass, back when there was the H1N1 epidemic that was killing a lot of people in Mexico, said to my youth group that God brought H1N1 upon the people there too make them suffer due to the rise in acceptance of homosexuality.

 

[josie_L]

"There are fundamentalist Christians who could just as easily have committed a similar act of terror against LGBT people. It’s not only radical Muslims who believe that LGBT people deserve death. Plenty of fundamentalist Christians do to. "

Yes,Please do name some…

And maybe one day gay radicals will commit acts of terror against heterosexual people. It could happen.

p.s. The point I’m trying to make is, any group could be perceived as having radicals who could commit acts of terror. But until said elements of such groups have committed such crimes, then it is just a hypothetical we are dealing with (and even then it would be perceived more as an anomaly then something endemic to said group).

 

[grotto]

There was a Catholic youth group many years back I heard about, in Maine I think, who went to a gay mans house, beat up him up, dangled him over a bridge then threw him over all the while laughing at him, calling him Fag and other homosexual slur names and telling him he was going to Hell. The man died.

My Catholic youth group leader, who had heard the priest say this at Mass, back when there was the H1N1 epidemic that was killing a lot of people in Mexico, said to my youth group that God brought H1N1 upon the people there too make them suffer due to the rise in acceptance of homosexuality.

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This stuff is ugly and does not belong on these forums.

 

[Thorolfr]

I didn’t realize as a Christian I was meant to follow the whole of Mosaic law.

I didn’t say you were meant to follow the whole of Mosaic law. But there are lots of different kinds of Christians. There’s not just one kind of Christian any more than there is just one kind of Muslim. Both Christians and Muslims and most other faiths have radical fringes.

 

[ArielRussu]

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This stuff is ugly and does not belong on these forums.

Why? the person I was responding too asked what religious groups promote violence against homosexuals and just because you don’t like it or want to accept it, there are Catholics that do just that! In fact, not only do they believe it they pass this thinking onto younger generations. So yes, this does belong on these forums because this is ACTUAL acts of hostility in thinking and action against homosexuals carried out by Catholics like yourself.

 

[GaryTaylor]

"There are fundamentalist Christians who could just as easily have committed a similar act of terror against LGBT people. It’s not only radical Muslims who believe that LGBT people deserve death. Plenty of fundamentalist Christians do to. "

Yes,Please do name some…

The optics democrats can’t run away from today. The majority of Muslim in the USA support liberal political parties/democrats. And while both are in denial of the radicalization and radical jihadist agenda they ignore the issue of people slipping through the cracks by policy imho. Just like today. They don’t want to address their own party issues apparently.

 

[josie_L]

I didn’t say you were meant to follow the whole of Mosaic law. But there are lots of different kinds of Christians. There’s not just one kind of Christian any more than there is just one kind of Muslim. Both Christians and Muslims and most other faiths have radical fringes.

Yes, there are different kinds of Christians, but none that have or endorse actually stoning or killing gays, adulterers, and those that disobey their parents, which is what the Mosaic code advises for those transgressors of the law.

p.s. Again, you are dealing with hypotheticals rather than reality.

 

[xNoOnex]

I agree with parsing out the difference between fundamentalist Islam of ISIS and the type of Islam that Dr. Zuhdi Jasser subscribes to.

But why is that every single time a self-professed Muslim goes off and does something like this, the left has to immediately comment on the IRA, white supremacism, Christianity, ect.

When Dylan Roof shot those people in cold blood, I didn’t see anyone running around saying “but look at what Islam does! see!”

Here is the difference:

There are not any Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/white supremacist terror groups in control of vast territories of sovereign nations trying to depose them in an active military conflict that also has genocidal intentions and active slavery.

If we the people, namely the American left, keeps making excuses, this will continue to happen over and over and over.

People have been talking about the possibility of this level of an attack for months because Barack Obama, Joe Biden and the rest of the administration have allowed ISIS to fester in the Middle East as an illegitimate nation-state and base of operations in the name of not offending Muslims and upsetting their base for undoubtedly reasons of legacy and winning elections. This stance has forced the police, FBI and CIA and other First World intel to be constantly fighting a defensive war.

This was no surprise like 9-11 or the dynamite bomber in 1927. People have been talking about this happening again because the root of the problem isn’t solved and will not be solved with these “oh, I hope we don’t offend someone” airstrikes.

Whether the civilized world wants to admit it or not, we are at war with terrorism, namely ISIS. To quote Rocky “He doesn’t know it’s a show, he thinks it’s a FIGHT”. And it’s a fight that progressive political correctness doesn’t stand a chance against.

You like to talk about the American left, but it seems a little silly that you’re ignoring the American right’s hand in the rise of terrorism.

Reagan’s CIA gave rise to Islamic terror, either through design or consequence, while fighting to Cold War. Meanwhile, it was George W. Bush’s war that created the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to rise in power in the first place. Blaming one side over comes off as petty, when both sides have innocent blood on their hand.

And I have no issue with fighting an enemy that is a danger to the world, including Islamic nations. The issue I have is how the media, both right and “left” spins often spins terrorism as an Islamic thing all while often ignoring the atrocities that groups like ISIS commit against other Muslims. Pair this with the fact that both right right and “left” wings of the media and American politics seem to downplay extremism that isn’t Muslim based…

Let’s just say I feel both sides seem to be going out of our way to make us less safe.

 

[josie_L]

Why? the person I was responding too asked what religious groups promote violence against homosexuals and just because you don’t like it or want to accept it, there are Catholics that do just that! In fact, not only do they believe it they pass this thinking onto younger generations. So yes, this does belong on these forums because this is ACTUAL acts of hostility in thinking and action against homosexuals carried out by Catholics like yourself.

Are you slandering a fellow Catholic by attempting to say that he is promoting violence against homosexuals?

 

[chero23]

You like to talk about the American left, but it seems a little silly that you’re ignoring the American right’s hand in the rise of terrorism.

Reagan’s CIA gave rise to Islamic terror, either through design or consequence, while fighting to Cold War. Meanwhile, it was George W. Bush’s war that created the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to rise in power in the first place. Blaming one side over comes off as petty, when both sides have innocent blood on their hand.

And I have no issue with fighting an enemy that is a danger to the world, including Islamic nations. The issue I have is how the media, both right and “left” spins often spins terrorism as an Islamic thing all while often ignoring the atrocities that groups like ISIS commit against other Muslims. Pair this with the fact that both right right and “left” wings of the media and American politics seem to downplay extremism that isn’t Muslim based…

Let’s just say I feel both sides seem to be going out of our way to make us less safe.

Some people here, see the right as a beautiful, sinless creature who has never done anything wrong.

They always deflect it to the democrats.

 

[Lion_IRC]

There are fundamentalist Christians who could just as easily have committed a similar act of terror against LGBT people. It’s not only radical Muslims who believe that LGBT people deserve death. Plenty of fundamentalist Christians do to.

Didnt a Moderator say something about making assumptions re. the sinfulness of the victims?

Aren’t you equally accusing fundamentalist Christians of sin?

How about you not make assumptions (and generalised accusations) about what’s in the minds of others - folks like me who never attacked any nightclub.

 

[Thorolfr]

Yes, there are different kinds of Christians, but none that have or endorse actually stoning or killing gays, adulterers, and those that disobey their parents, which is what the Mosaic code advises for those transgressors of the law.

p.s. Again, you are dealing with hypotheticals rather than reality.

It’s not that hard to find examples on the Internet of Christians who advocate the death penalty for homosexuality:

It’s not like Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz were unaware that the man who created and is hosting Freedom 2015 has advocated for gay to be executed. Pastor Kevin Swanson has a startling history of making such statements. Even ABC News’ Jake Tapper Thursday night in an interview cornered Cruz on Swanson’s beliefs – Cruz wriggled out of answering the question.

So today, Pastor Swanson took to the stage and told attendees once again that gays should be killed. Twice, according to Right Wing Watch.

“There are instances in which both the Old and New Testament speak to the matter with unbelievable clarity,” Swanson told his audience of evangelical Christians, as Joe.My.God. reports. “There’s not to be any debate about it. You know what that sin is – it’s the sin of homosexuality.”

“In fact in Romans 1 Paul affirms that this particular sin is worthy of death,” Swanson says. “The Old and New Testament, I believe both speak with authority and we outta receive it.”

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates

I’m not saying that people like Swanson are mainstream Christians, but there certainly are radical Christians on the fringes who believe that gay people should be killed.

 

[ArielRussu]

Are you slandering a fellow Catholic by attempting to say that he is promoting violence against homosexuals?

Where on earth did you get that idea from? I’m not slandering anyone! I’m not calling anyone names. I’m being blunt and straight forward. My first post talked about two examples of violence against homosexuals and then the poster I’m responding too was accusing me of posting inappropriate material which was disgusting too them. So, I wrote back stating that it did not matter if said poster found the post disgusting or was offended by it because wether or not that want to accept it, there are Catholics that promote violence against homosexuals and quote Leviticus like those teenagers did to justify there actions. I’m not slandering anyone! There were no use of direct words against said poster, I’m just pointing out facts. I was NOT making any association between the poster and Catholics who are like that, I was NOT saying the poster thinks violently of homosexuals. I guess there may have been a misinterpretation of my words, but seriously political correctness in this country seriously needs to stop!

 

[Cider]

I voted other because it’s too early and I’m unqualified to know what the motive was. It was a sickening act though.

 

[Lion_IRC]

I refuse to accept that I somehow have LGBTQ ‘blood on my hands’ just because I oppose SSM or gender-fluid bathroom bills.

 

[Thorolfr]

Didnt a Moderator say something about making assumptions re. the sinfulness of the victims?

Aren’t you equally accusing fundamentalist Christians of sin?

How about you not make assumptions (and generalised accusations) about what’s in the minds of others - folks like me who never attacked any nightclub.

I’m not talking about you or about all fundamentalist Christians. I’m saying that there are some fundamentalist Christians who believe that homosexuals deserve death. There are many different kinds of Christians and it’s silly to claim as some have done that only some Muslims believe in killing homosexuals but that there are no Christians who do as well.