Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

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Thorolfr said:
Also in today’s news:

cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-orlando-gay-club-pulse-fierce-controversy-over-pastors-remarks-about-orlando-attack/

As some poster on this thread have said, no Christians could possibly commit such a terrible tragedy, only Muslims…:rolleyes:
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As horrible as his words are, they should be condemned, they are words, he didn’t actually go and get a gun and shoot anybody himself, whereas Omar Mateen actually killed people, but it was a tragedy of words and language on the part of the Pastor.
 
Thorolfr said:
It hardly matters what ISIS says. What if ISIS said that Donald Trump is one of their soldiers, would that sound pretty clear to you and not require any other delving? 😉

What people say about themselves deserves more consideration, but is not conclusive proof of their motives.
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If Trump says he was working on behalf of ISIS, then that makes things pretty clear of where he stands.

This murderer does not need to be analysed in terms of the intricacies and the nuances of his hate.
Who cares what deep psychology is at work. It is enough that he killed for ISIS for us all to understand all that we need to know about the malicious thug.
 
Peebo said:
Yep…let’s blame it on the LGBT crowd…as long as it doesn’t lead to new restrictions and regulations on assault style weapons that whakos can freely get to kill a bunch of innocent people…after all it’s their right to bear arms also …killing people is just collateral damage of that right…happens here every day…why change something that works so well:rolleyes:
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The genie is out of the bottle with regard to Americans owning semi-automatic assault weapons. How are you going to reverse this?
 
Darryl1958 said:
If Trump says he was working on behalf of ISIS, then that makes things pretty clear of where he stands.

This murderer does not need to be analysed in terms of the intricacies and the nuances of his hate.
Who cares what deep psychology is at work. It is enough that he killed for ISIS for us all to understand all that we need to know about the malicious thug.
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My point is that we don’t know that he really did kill for ISIS, only that this is what he claimed after he had already started the killing. This statement of his motives might have been nothing more than the window dressing for other deeper psychological issues.
 
Thorolfr said:
My point is that we don’t know that he really did kill for ISIS, only that this is what he claimed after he had already started the killing. This statement of his motives might have been nothing more than the window dressing for other deeper psychological issues.
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Anything is possible, but the fact is that he did claim he worked for ISIS and according to a major ISIS news network, ISIS says he was a fighter for ISIS.
 
Tomdstone said:
Anything is possible, but the fact is that he did claim he worked for ISIS and according to a major ISIS news network, ISIS says he was a fighter for ISIS.
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I see that you’re a person that always takes everyone at their word. If they said it, it must be true. 😉
 
Darryl1958 said:
This murderer does not need to be analysed in terms of the intricacies and the nuances of his hate.
Who cares what deep psychology is at work. It is enough that he killed for ISIS for us all to understand all that we need to know about the malicious thug.
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You are right, this attack has everyone running around trying to come up with alternative explanations for why he may have done it.

Sure he may have visited this club in the past, he was on some specific websites, but that could all be done intentionally too, Im sure he recognized they would go thru his life with a fine toothed comb after such an attack, these terrorists are not stupid, they know how to effectively confuse their enemy.

The point is though, he is dead, so we will never know for sure if he was ‘in the closet’ or even had SSA, but we do know for a FACT, he pledged his life to ISIS and they called him one of theirs and praised his actions…enough said…he was a terrorist…their goal is to kill americans, these victims being gay is just icing on the cake for ISIS, overall they would have been just as happy had a heterosexual club been the target.
 
Thorolfr said:
So is it your belief that everything the Islamic State’s Amaq news agency says is true? Do you consider this news agency to be a reliable and trustworthy source of information?
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We already know its true…the shooter himself confirmed it…Im not sure why think otherwise?

Now, if ISIS alone had made the statement, and the shooter made no mention of them, I could understand your point, but…
 
fox13news.com/news/local-news/159365914-story
ORLANDO, Fla. - Federal prosecutors have convened a grand jury to investigate the wife of the Orlando nightclub shooter, seeking to charge her as an accessory to 49 counts of murder and 53 counts of attempted murder as well as with failure to notify law enforcement about the pending terrorist attack and lying to federal agents, a federal law enforcement source confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com
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mikekle said:
We already know its true…the shooter himself confirmed it…Im not sure why think otherwise?

Now, if ISIS alone had made the statement, and the shooter made no mention of them, I could understand your point, but…
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Your reasoning doesn’t make much sense to me. Let me give a hypothetical example. Suppose that someone committed a crime and then said that he didn’t do it and someone else confirmed that he didn’t do it. But the fact that two people claimed that one of them was not responsible for this crime does not make these claims true. They could both be lying.

By the same token, the fact that someone claims to be an ISIS soldier and someone else confirms this does not make either of these claims true. They could both be lying. Omar Mateen could make this claim to make his action seem more noble to in his own eyes (it might make him feel that he was being a martyr) and ISIS could confirm this claim because any act of terror that they can claim whether they were responsible or not helps their campaign of terror. There is no evidence so far that ISIS took any part at all in the planning of this attack and it seems likely to me that they only claimed him as one of their own after the fact.
 
This is a startling piece of news this evening … This killer (and most likely his wife and child) were REPORTED to the FBI in April for suspicious action while at Disney World! Reported to the FBI? How many times does this guy need to be turned in?
 
Tomdstone said:
The genie is out of the bottle with regard to Americans owning semi-automatic assault weapons. How are you going to reverse this?
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Put the genie back in the bottle…this could be done a number of ways…those who already have those weapons would be allowed to keep them…they would not be allowed to sell them or give them away unless the next owner had a legitimate reason to own one…ie…they were a member of a gun club…a collector.etc…they would be required to go through a thorough screening and require a permit…for self defense would not be a legitimate reason…if the original owner didn’t comply with the law and the weapon was used in a crime then the original owner would be prosecuted for not complying with the law…you could have a blanket ban restricting all sales of those types of weapons…or you could allow those who have them for a specific purpose as noted before…members of a gun club…a collector etc…they would have to go through a thorough security screening and have to obtain a permit…hunting or self protection would not be accepted as reasons to own one…but of course we know none of this will happen because common sense goes out the window to those who hold the 2nd amendment as if it was written on a tablet by the finger of God
 
Thorolfr said:
My point is that we don’t know that he really did kill for ISIS, only that this is what he claimed after he had already started the killing. This statement of his motives might have been nothing more than the window dressing for other deeper psychological issues.
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“We don’t know he killed for Isis only that is what he claimed”

Lol!

This is the way denial works.
It starts off with assumptions. 49 killed in a gay bar. Must be a Latin mass goer.
Then the name is released… Doesn’t mean he is Muslim… Then he is Muslim. The he says he hates gay people… Doesn’t mean he is not gay. Then he says I’m doing this on behalf of Isis… Doesn’t mean he is a terrorist.

but his ex wife who was beaten calls him gay and all of the sudden it’s gospel?
 
Also in the news about the Orlando tragedy:
Today on “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed.
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Robertson said that liberals are facing a “dilemma” because they love both LGBT equality and Islamic extremism, and that it is better for conservatives like himself not to get involved but to instead just watch the two groups kill each other.
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“The left is having a dilemma of major proportions and I think for those of us who disagree with some of their policies, the best thing to do is to sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves,” he said.
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rightwingwatch.org/content/pat-robertson-gays-islamists-are-allies-so-let-them-kill-themselves
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
“We don’t know he killed for Isis only that is what he claimed”

Lol!

This is the way denial works.
It starts off with assumptions. 49 killed in a gay bar. Must be a Latin mass goer.
Then the name is released… Doesn’t mean he is Muslim… Then he is Muslim. The he says he hates gay people… Doesn’t mean he is not gay. Then he says I’m doing this on behalf of Isis… Doesn’t mean he is a terrorist.

but his ex wife who was beaten calls him gay and all of the sudden it’s gospel?
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LOL…denial is what a lot of Republicans are in when they accept at face value everything that Donald Trump says about himself and about his beliefs. :rolleyes:
 
Another way denial works…

best thing to do is sit on the sidelines and let them kill themselves…

oh…it wasn’t meant to mean what he clearly said…he was speaking politically
 
Thorolfr said:
LOL…denial is what a lot of Republicans are in when they accept at face value everything that Donald Trump says about himself and about his beliefs. :rolleyes:
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I’m sorry I thought this thread was about something different
 
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