Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

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mikekle said:
He personally pledged allegiance to ISIS, in turn they called him one of their soldiers…that sounds pretty clear to me.

Trying to delve deep into this guys psyche trying to uncover other reasons he may have done this is pointless.
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Of course, it isn’t uncommon for a psychopath claiming to be part of something larger than himself to justify his horrific crimes.
 
zerocrossing said:
I do like the idea, though, that the suggestion he was gay minimizes his “glory” among radical Muslims and minimizes the recruitment of future jihadists. I just don’t see what the gay men claiming he was gay have to gain by making that statement.
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How does it minimize his glory? The local Imam taught it was compassionate to kill gays, and he did.

I also don’t think we understand their culture well in this area, have you read about Bacha Bazi dancing boys in Afghanistan? It’s very open and mainstream in the culture.
 
Thorolfr said:
My point is that we don’t know that he really did kill for ISIS, only that this is what he claimed after he had already started the killing. This statement of his motives might have been nothing more than the window dressing for other deeper psychological issues.
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Doesn’t seem like much of a point.
Why not take the guy at his word, whether or not he has deeper psychological issues?
 
Darryl1958 said:
Doesn’t seem like much of a point.
Why not take the guy at his word, whether or not he has deeper psychological issues?
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We also know that the local Imam thought killing gays was the right strategy, the humane thing to dol
 
Darryl1958 said:
Doesn’t seem like much of a point.
Why not take the guy at his word, whether or not he has deeper psychological issues?
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Well, he’s a twice-married wifebeater, gay homophobe Muslim. Sure, let’s take his word for it.
 
philipl said:
He was catholic, just didnt use it as a reason to kill
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Not sure because who were his victims? Isn’t it true that they were all non-catholics and that some of the Serbs killed had refused to convert to Roman Catholicism? Serbs who converted were mostly left alone?
 
Milo Yiannopoulos: ‘Mainstream Muslim culture’ is the problem
Gay conservative activist Milo Yiannopoulos says “mainstream Muslim culture,” not radical Islam, is to blame for Sunday’s terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.
“I’m not talking about Islamists,” he said. “I’m not talking about terrorists. I’m not talking about radical Islam. I’m talking about mainstream Muslim culture. There are 11 Muslim countries in which I could be killed for being a homosexual. The state penalty is death. One hundred million people live in countries where the penalty for homosexuality is death. This is not radical Islam. This is mainstream Muslim society.
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“Look what’s happening in Sweden,” he continued. “Look what’s happening anywhere in Germany, anywhere there are large influxes of a Muslim population. Things don’t end well for women and gays. Women are treated abominably everywhere in the Muslim world. Gays are treated even worse. It shouldn’t be a surprise to us that when we invite these people into western, democratic, capitalist, free societies that bad things start to happen.”
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I was thinking about this the other day when I saw a meme showing a rainbow-clad group of youngsters carrying a banner “LGBT against Islamophobia”. Do they really think Muslims feel the same way about them?

Best case scenario: there is no radical Islam, Muslims immigrate legally and assimilate. But once here how do you think you think they are going to vote on LGBT or women’s issues? They would far out-right the evil right-wing Christians.
 
didymus said:
But once here how do you think you think they are going to vote on LGBT or women’s issues? They would far out-right the evil right-wing Christians.
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The same way they handle these issues in the m-e. For example, what Islamic country would Hillary be running for President?
 
GaryTaylor said:
The same way they handle these issues in the m-e. For example, what Islamic country would Hillary be running for President?
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In Pakistan, they had an intelligent woman running for president. Unfortunately, she was assassinated.
 
Tomdstone said:
In Pakistan, they had an intelligent woman running for president. Unfortunately, she was assassinated.
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I was just listening to the Imam from Orlando who Mateen supposedly knew. He confirmed a woman president is unacceptable as they can’t be trusted.

You have to wonder what the fascination with liberals is with sharia law and the holy war within islam. They want to reform Islam while in the midst of a holy war. The real issue is when someone believes they found the absolute truth, there is no turning back. A fatal flaw of Obama and this administration. Same with Iran, SA etc. The theory is to give dialogue a chance and morality thus reform. Same with the Russian reset and our on-going relationship with SA and human rights. Its plays peoples deep rooted beliefs for stupid and is insulting. What fruits do we have to show for all this kissing up to Islam which in itself is radical with sharia law.

Obama has a issue with Islamic assimilation do to political correctness and a illogical view of assimilated expectation. imho Honestly addressing the issues is the path and not bowing to Islam, which feeds the very egotistical issue. The jihad can never be stopped that way. The momentum and motivation has to be broken. We have become weaker under Obama and according to 60% of americans and as we see for good reasoning.
Saudi Arabia also has one of worst records regarding women’s rights. And although the United States, other Western countries, and the United Nations stress the importance of women’s rights, somehow Saudi Arabia pays no price for disregarding them.
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lobelog.com/human-rights-double-standard-iran-and-saudi-arabia/
 
timesofisrael.com/ex-coworker-orlando-shooter-an-unhinged-racist-misogynist/
Gilroy, who worked with Mateen as a security guard at security company G4S, told the LA Times that he had “complained multiple times that he was dangerous.”
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He said Mateen was “unhinged and unstable…he had a lot of rage in him.
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“This was a man that would lose his temper for no reason. He would kick walls, slap desks, I’ve seen him throw a chair across the room one time,” Gilroy recounted to ABC News.
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“But he also had a lot of hatred for people. Black people, women, he did not like Jews, he did not like Hispanics, nor did he like gay or lesbian people.
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“He talked about killing people all the time,” Gilroy told The New York Times. And he wasn’t surprised when he learned of the massacre: “I saw it coming"
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GaryTaylor said:
The same way they handle these issues in the m-e. For example, what Islamic country would Hillary be running for President?
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Not in the Mideast, but at least seven Muslim countries have elected women as head of state:

Pakistan has elected two women as prime minister (Benazir Bhutto and Khaleda Zia)

Bangladesh has elected one woman as prime minister multiple times (Sheikh Hasina)

Kyrgyzstan elected Roza Otunbayeva as president

Kosovo’s current president is Atifete Jahhaga, who is also female

Senegal elected Mame Madior Boye as prime minister

Indonesia’s Megawati Sukarnoputri was elected president during a pivotal period of the country.

Turkey is on the border of the Mideast, but it too is a Muslim country and elected Tansu Çiller as prime minister (although that was 25 years ago, and the political climate of the country has shifted)
 
Ojo_Feliz said:
Not in the Mideast, but at least seven Muslim countries have elected women as head of state:

Pakistan has elected two women as prime minister (Benazir Bhutto and Khaleda Zia)

Bangladesh has elected one woman as prime minister multiple times (Sheikh Hasina)

Kyrgyzstan elected Roza Otunbayeva as president

Kosovo’s current president is Atifete Jahhaga, who is also female

Senegal elected Mame Madior Boye as prime minister

Indonesia’s Megawati Sukarnoputri was elected president during a pivotal period of the country.

Turkey is on the border of the Mideast, but it too is a Muslim country and elected Tansu Çiller as prime minister (although that was 25 years ago, and the political climate of the country has shifted)
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Furthermore, all those Islamic countries that have donated big money to and support Hillary that are VERY anti-gay, so its kind of strange the LGBT crowd thinks Hillary is their gal, when it looks like the complete opposite.
 
mikekle said:
Furthermore, all those Islamic countries that have donated big money to and support Hillary that are VERY anti-gay, so its kind of strange the LGBT crowd thinks Hillary is their gal, when it looks like the complete opposite.
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Yes…it sort of reminds you of a certain “Christian” country that has never elected a woman as head of state…and whose opponent and his supporters are also VERY anti gay and has big money behind him also…so hopefully no woman will become head of state and or government in the for see able future…now what Christian country could that be…hmmm

Great Britain…nope
Canada…nope
New Zealand…nope
Australia…nope
much of South America…nope.
much of Europe…nope
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Having laws against homosexuality does not necessarily make a country bad, and in the cases of the Islamic ones mentioned, it’s alot of the other things they do that make them really evil. We cannot let the Orlando Massacre subtly persuade us into supporting the homosexual agenda.
 
Seamus_L said:
Having laws against homosexuality does not necessarily make a country bad, and in the cases of the Islamic ones mentioned, it’s alot of the other things they do that make them really evil. We cannot let the Orlando Massacre subtly persuade us into supporting the homosexual agenda.
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So are you saying that it’s not such a bad thing for a country to have the death penalty for homosexuality?
 
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