Police: Approximately 20 dead inside Florida nightclub after mass shooting

[Darryl1958]

Owning a for-profit business in a country is a far cry from accepting donations from that country’s government.

In politics, big donations buy big influence.

We already know that HRC Clinton will not challenge ME governments funding and supporting these people, because she has been in positions where she could, and she didn’t.

She is bought and paid for.

 

[Darryl1958]

My take on someone who is an Islamist who has a temper, beats on women, and frequents sex bars is that he is a psychopath. Whatever he does he does for kicks, and the people he uses are nothing to him toys there at his disposal.
Literally.
He is not conflicted, because someone would actually need to have a conscience to be conflicted.

There is no indication of a conscience anywhere. People with consciences do not identify with ISIS. ISIS is a religion of similar psychopaths, who glorify in sexually enslaving young girls, and torturing people for kicks.

People always lump religions together as if they are the same thing, and read Islam and Islamists through the lens of Christian, or maybe even Judaism. In truth, they are nothing alike, and Islamists in particular glory in the unrestrained marauding tribalism that is ever present in Islam’s past. Its roots are in Arabic raiders who live off booty and the glories of war.

Islam is not Christianity, not in the least. Islam has always had an appeal to the violent among us. Nazis were likewise impressed.

There is no indication whatsoever that this man felt an ounce of guilt of conflict about anything, least of all taking pleasure by sexing men or women. This is not the biography of a man in a struggle with his conscience over sexual guilt about dark sexual urges that he is unable to repress. We can’t read into him our own Christian guilt over troubling sexual fantasies. He had no problem with going with his friends to these kinds of places. This is a story of a man who glories in using and killing people for kicks.

There is nothing complicated about psychopaths. Those without consciences do whatever the aitch they want when they want to do it.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Julia Gillard was Prime Minister of Australia 2010-2013
Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister of Great Britain 1979-1990

Israel?

Others?

Do the homework. You can do it.

 

[Ojo_Feliz]

Yes…it sort of reminds you of a certain “Christian” country that has never elected a woman as head of state…and whose opponent and his supporters are also VERY anti gay and has big money behind him also…so hopefully no woman will become head of state and or government in the for see able future…now what Christian country could that be…hmmm

Great Britain…nope
Canada…nope
New Zealand…nope
Australia…nope
much of South America…nope.
much of Europe…nope

So, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc have all elected women to lead their country. Are you slyly saying that a certain large North American country hasn’t elected a female head of state, even though multiple Muslim countries have done so? If so, are you implying that citizens of this large North American country shouldn’t be so quick to throw stones at others?

Perhaps you are right.

I wonder though, if instead of discussing nations in general, we might profit more by looking at the actions of individuals, in particular Omar Mateen and his current wife. He seemed to have a lot of anger, and a willingness to use violence against persons unable to defend themselves. His first wife left him because he was abusive.

Did his second wife also suffer as the whipping post for his frustrations and possible self-hate? She apparently suspected he was about to launch an attack on the Orlando nightclub, but she didn’t report those suspicions to the police. Was she afraid that, if she did, he would eventually return and exact vengeance on her?

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Well, yeah, I guess you’re probably right. I don’t understand the psychology underlying what happened, and I don’t want to use the word “schizophrenic” in a loose, incorrect way, but can people actually be so conflicted/splintered that they just snap? I’m sure I’m oversimplifying mechanisms that are poorly understood, at best.

There have been a very large number of islamic terrorist attacks.

Since you are using psychological terms, perhaps you could write a profile of a typical terrorist.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Apparently the shooter, Omar Mateen, is homosexual.

nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-used-to-visit-orlando-gay-club-use-gay-dating-apps/

So if he’s gay himself, what does that say?

A lot!

 

[GaryTaylor]

My take.

Co-Worker

“He was very racist, very sexist,” Gilroy said from his home on Tuesday. “Anti-Jew, anti-homosexual, and he made it known by derogatory statements as much as he could.”

Gilroy told The Times that he found Mateen “unstable,” and when he stopped communicating with Mateen, “he started texting me a lot - 20-30 times a day.”

He left messages, too, that Gilroy said “were not threatening, but scary.”

“He said ‘I thought you were my friend, you betrayed me - nobody betrays me,’” Gilroy recalled. “But then it didn’t escalate. He was up and down.”

After Mateen would berate Gilroy for not replying, he would pivot and say, “You’re a good guy, you didn’t do anything wrong,”

Then Mateen would become aggressive all over again.

“The next message was, ‘you’ll live to regret this,’” Gilroy said, noting that he never replied to the messages.

“You meet bigots,” Gilroy said, “but he was above and beyond. He was always angry, sweating, just angry at the world.”

“He would kick walls, slap desks, I’ve seen him throw the chair across the room one time.”

‘He always talked of killing people’

Mateen’s ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, described him. In an interview with reporters, she said:

“In the beginning he was a normal being that cared about family, loved to joke, loved to have fun, but then a few months after we were married I saw his instability. I saw that he was bipolar and would get mad out of nowhere.”

“After a few months he started abusing me, physically, very often, not allowing me to speak to my family, keeping me hostage from them.”

“He was mentally unstable and mentally ill … Obviously disturbed, deeply traumatized.”

“When he would get in his tempers, he would express hate towards everything.”

“My family literally rescued me. The night that they were there, they had to pull me out of his arms and buy an emergency flight. I left all my belongings.”

When he was in the fifth grade, Omar Mateen bullied classmates, threw chairs and threatened to shoot up his school.

Orlando shooter Omar Mateen ‘threatened to bring a gun and kill students at his elementary school’, former classmates reveal,

In 2001, Mateen was a sophomore at Spectrum Alternative School, which was for students with poor grades or behavior problems. He cheered during the 9/11 attacks and claimed Osama bin Laden was his uncle.

After his initial barrage of gunfire, Omar Mateen called 911 and talked to police on the phone. According to the New York Times, the shooter was “cool and calm,” while he talked about more killing, swore allegiance to ISIS and praised the Boston Marathon bombers.

Former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole said, “He’s extremely callous. It shows an extreme lack of empathy for the victims, a lack of guilt, a lack of compassion, and those traits did not just occur the day before the shooting — no, those were personality traits that preexisted the shooting,” O’Toole said.

Little early, you may be right, its would also explain the bi sexual behavior as he was married twice also and it made no difference to him with sex.

I didn’t post the coinciding Islamic aspect but as you see it also dates back to 911 at least.

 

[mikekle]

Apparently the shooter, Omar Mateen, is homosexual.

nypost.com/2016/06/13/shooter-used-to-visit-orlando-gay-club-use-gay-dating-apps/

So if he’s gay himself, what does that say?

even if he was gay, which I would take any mainstream media article with a strong grain of salt, as they have their own agenda here, he was a muslim, they sin just like christians do, remember when they killed Osama Bin Laden, they found numerous thumbdrives with hardcore porn on them, and this was from the leader of a radical Islamic terror group?! but he still carried out attacks on people in the US.

Why didnt anyone bring that up about OBL…he claimed to be such a prophet, but he had tons of porn at his residence…?? Or that many of the 9-11 hijackers were seen at ‘peep show clubs’ in NYC, this is something Muslims forbid too, but they still attacked.

Point is, it really doesnt matter, even if he was engaged in something muslims would call sinful, that does not mean he cannot still carry out attacks in the name of a terror group.

 

[GaryTaylor]

One might take a look at the relationship of Islam and homosexuality and pedophilia though as it may for sure be relevant.

shoebat.com/2014/12/05/islam-religion-homosexuality-pedophilia/

it was always considered not just an acceptable practice but a norm and is why homosexuals tend to be more sympathetic towards Islam over Christianity.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

even if he was gay, which I would take any mainstream media article with a strong grain of salt, as they have their own agenda here, he was a muslim, they sin just like christians do, remember when they killed Osama Bin Laden, they found numerous thumbdrives with hardcore porn on them, and this was from the leader of a radical Islamic terror group?! but he still carried out attacks on people in the US.

Why didnt anyone bring that up about OBL…he claimed to be such a prophet, but he had tons of porn at his residence…?? Or that many of the 9-11 hijackers were seen at ‘peep show clubs’ in NYC, this is something Muslims forbid too, but they still attacked.

Point is, it really doesnt matter, even if he was engaged in something muslims would call sinful, that does not mean he cannot still carry out attacks in the name of a terror group.

It’s called reaction formation.

Someone who is weak puts on a front to make himself look strong.

As an example.

 

[J_Peterson]

One might take a look at the relationship of Islam and homosexuality and pedophilia though as it may for sure be relevant.

shoebat.com/2014/12/05/islam-religion-homosexuality-pedophilia/

The oppressed tend to be more sympathetic to the oppressed than the oppressor.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Well, yeah, I guess you’re probably right. I don’t understand the psychology underlying what happened, and I don’t want to use the word “schizophrenic” in a loose, incorrect way, but can people actually be so conflicted/splintered that they just snap? I’m sure I’m oversimplifying mechanisms that are poorly understood, at best.

I’m not a psychologist. Schizophrenia is a mental illness having to do with delusions and hallucinations.

Usually people that do these type of crimes are psychopaths or sociopaths.

Was he a sociopath? He might have definitely been. Because of him being a sociopath it was just easier to fall into extremist ideologies.

From the FBI press conference, he has expressed allegiance various terrorist groups, some of which were competitive groups. Hezbolah and Al Quaeda for example.

Columbine happened before this, I bet there are similarities in personality between those killers and this guy.

I bet the Oklahoma bomber had a similar personality as this one too.

This guy seems to have had some sociopathic symptoms. The abuse of his first wife, anger management issues at school and work etc,

I’m not a psychologist though.

But I think part of the key of preventing these type of scenarios is to better understand mental illness and personality disorders.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Before Omar Mateen became the man responsible for the worst mass killing in U.S. history, he was a Fort Pierce security guard who had failed at every powerful position he pursued.

Mateen, 29, wanted to be a police officer, but he failed. He wanted to be a corrections officer, but he failed.

He wore a New York City Police Department T-shirt in photos on his Myspace account, and he drove a vehicle with a United States Marine Corps logo on the back, although he never actually served as a Marine.

“This was someone who wants to align himself with power, control and dominance, but he never quite made it,” former senior FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole said.

O’Toole and another FBI profiler offered insights into Mateen, who killed 49 people and injured 53 others when he opened fire early Sunday morning at Pulse nightclub in downtown Orlando. Authorities have said Mateen claimed allegiance to the Islamic State in conversations with them before he was shot and killed, ending the three-hour siege.

Retired FBI profiler and supervisor Joe Navarro said Mateen’s claim of allegiance with the Islamic State was a relationship out of convenience. Being a member of the terrorist group brought him the strength he craved as a narcissist.

“Did he have narcissistic qualities? You’re starting to see that with a lot of the photos he has taken of himself,” Navarro said. “People like him do things like join radical groups to make themselves bigger than they really are.”

Navarro said the way Mateen gunned down so many people was more evidence of his thirst for control.

“He looked down on those people,” Navarro said. “That’s the narcissism trait right there.”

 

[at9009]

One might take a look at the relationship of Islam and homosexuality and pedophilia though as it may for sure be relevant.

shoebat.com/2014/12/05/islam-religion-homosexuality-pedophilia/

I would suggest avoiding shoebat.com. I’m not sure if you are aware, but It’s a pretty hateful website. Here is one of the links and its response to the tragedy:
shoebat.com/2016/06/13/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-islamic-massacre-in-orlando/

One line from him [don’t know the actual time in the video it occurs]: ““Sodomites are criminals” and do not deserve the prayers of Christians, Shoebat stated. “The sodomites who were killed in this club were not innocent people. They were not good people. They were not people who were just victims who we should just feel sorry for. It was scum killing scum.””

So, as far as I’m concerned, that website is nothing full of hate and is a does not show how Christians should conduct themselves or act.

 

[Peebo]

=Ojo Feliz;13975816]So, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, etc have all elected women to lead their country. Are you slyly saying that a certain large North American country hasn’t elected a female head of state, even though multiple Muslim countries have done so? If so, are you implying that citizens of this large North American country shouldn’t be so quick to throw stones at others?

Perhaps you are right.

I wonder though, if instead of discussing nations in general, we might profit more by looking at the actions of individuals, in particular Omar Mateen and his current wife. He seemed to have a lot of anger, and a willingness to use violence against persons unable to defend themselves. His first wife left him because he was abusive.

Did his second wife also suffer as the whipping post for his frustrations and possible self-hate? She apparently suspected he was about to launch an attack on the Orlando nightclub, but she didn’t report those suspicions to the police. Was she afraid that, if she did, he would eventually return and exact vengeance on her?

Thank you…at least you understood that I was being cynical

 

[meltzerboy]

Well, yeah, I guess you’re probably right. I don’t understand the psychology underlying what happened, and I don’t want to use the word “schizophrenic” in a loose, incorrect way, but can people actually be so conflicted/splintered that they just snap? I’m sure I’m oversimplifying mechanisms that are poorly understood, at best.

Yes, it is possible although in the gunman’s case, it may have been brewing for some time. Schizophrenia is another animal altogether, and most schizophrenics are more harmful toward themselves than toward others. If anything, they try to avoid contact with people. We do not know for sure, but in the gunman’s case, he probably had a sexual conflict which he externalized due to his zealous political ideology. Or his radical Islamic theology may have been the primary motivation, and it was channeled toward the venue of a gay nightclub due to his sexual conflict.

 

[Darryl1958]

This guy fits into the John Gacy and Jeffrey Dolmer mold of homosexual killer.
The only difference is that he was able to find a religionand a poltiical systeem that actually is able to justify his perversity.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

One of the 49 killed in the early Sunday shooting at an Orlando nightclub was a Reserve Army captain, the first military fatality in the attack, the Pentagon announced Tuesday. Capt. Antonio Davon Brown, 29, joined the Army Reserves out of the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Florida A&M University in 2008, Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said. Brown was killed along with 48 others in the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, carried out by gunman Omar Mateen, an American citizen born in New York. Brown was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 383rd Regiment, 4th Cavalry Brigade, 85th Support Command based in St. Louis, Mo. His commander, Lt. Col. Kevin Dasher, said Brown was a “loyal and dutiful” soldier who “faced any and all challenges with a smile on his face, and an unwavering spirit that everyone in our unit cherished.” Davis said during a Tuesday briefing the Pentagon was not aware of any other military members or veterans injured or killed in the attack. The club’s bouncer, Imran Yousef, is a Marine Corps veteran who has been credited with saving dozens of lives. Yousef told CBS News he heard the first rounds from Mateen’s gun, and opened a side door to lead 60-70 people to safety. “There was only one choice,” Yousef told CBS. "Either we all stay there and we all die, or I could take the chance, and I jumped over to open that latch and we got everyone that we can out of there."

Source: Air Force Association

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I just read that the gun used in Orlando was not an AR-15.

Need to find some other information.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I just read that the gun used in Orlando was not an AR-15.

Need to find some other information.

Sig Sauer MCX, they will call it a assault rifle and act like its fully automatic anyway. The usual lies.