Read the whole article, not just the headline, and you will see it supports my point more than yours.
Nonsense
No you didn’t now your lying.
No one is talking about depression specifically but suicide.
Might? Now I know you have no clue what your talking about. I’m not concerned with your take on depression.
If you do not understand the link between depression and suicide, you have not done your homework.
Then stop talking to me about it. The fact is depression causes suicidal tendancies. That is not “my take”. It is just fact. It also a fact that depression plus the easy availability of guns means suicide completions are more likely. it is also a fact that a delay in getting a gun can save lives for those that are in a depression. That what the studies show. That is not just my supposition.
Comparing the US and Korea, considering only the availability of guns and ignoring all the other huge differences between the two countries makes any statistical conclusion you might draw meaningless. To draw the conclusion you did, you need to find two societies that are the same in every respect, except the availability of guns. Then statistical comparison of suicide rates would be meaningful.
I am sure the terrorists have no interest in the direction of a particular thread in CAF.So we went from a terrorist attack to trump talk to gun control to suicide.
Mission accomplished terrorists we are now debating killing ourselves…,
I wonder if that was the Pulse mentality a month ago.
There are really not two societies the same in all other respects. South Korea is a high income developed country. What does South Korea do differently that leads to such a high suicide rate that has nothing to do with guns?
You want better explanations? Read this.
The point is people are highly effective in committing suicide without access to guns.
Monte, you’re one of the people on here who I always dig reading, but in this case I’m not sure I agree with what I imagine to be your premise. The entire idea of criminal profiling seems wrong and inherently evil to me. I think Philip K. Dick got it right, and I’m entirely in agreement with him. The subject of Future Evil is fascinating to me, and I think that pre-crime is going to be a fact of life someday, and more than likely there will be some nexus of pre-crime profiling with tagging people with microchips like dogs. And I think the entire premise is wrong and dangerous. As far as it stands now, I think any militant Muslim from a CIA family should be looked at very closely, but as it stands, it’s all Muslims who are being looked at. And from a Machiavellian point of view, that is, from a realistic point of view, that’s just the way it has to be. But that’s clearly problematic, too.
Yeah, I think you hit the mark. And thanks for understanding what I meant by “schizophrenic,” because I just meant it in a loose, colloquial sense. As in, someone leading an extreme double life. Like, the health nut who wakes up in the morning and eats a bale of hay and drinks a glass of fresh-squeezed orange juice, and then who by midnight is smoking crack and shooting heroin. Such people do exist, and I would characterize them as schizo, whether they actually have auditory hallucinations or not. By the same token, someone who’s a hardcore, raging homosexual, and at the same time a fundamentalist Muslim, seems like someone you could legimately call “schizophrenic,” in the loose sense of the word.
The fact remains that keeping other factors constant, more guns leads to more suicide. I have given the reasons several times in this thread. This attempt to use South Korea to refute this conclusion is ineffective because there are other reasons for the high suicide rate is South Korea. There is every reason to believe that if guns were made more available in South Korea, the suicide rate would be much higher. The fact the people do kill themselves in other ways in no way challenges the point that gun makes it easier and more people will succumb to the temptation. The only way to establish that guns make no difference to the suicide rate would be to find two societies that are the same in every other aspect, except guns. But as others have pointed out earlier, this is impossible. In particular, I have given good reasons why South Korea is very different from the US.
I’d be happy to compare the US to an similar country with strict gun laws. Could you point out another first-world superpower constitutional republic that went from colony to country through violent revolution, and enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in one of its founding documents as a last check on government overreach?
Guns are accessible and highly effective.
It probably wouldn’t by that much as there are untreated factors.
South Korea, Japan and China all have cultures that encourage suicide.
You are still going about it in a statistically unscientific way. All these countries have different sociological and psychological conditions. Also, there is a bit of a moral problem in assuming that anyone who is inclined to kill himself is going to do it some other way if he doesn’t have a gun, so we might as well just stand aside and let him do it. And that argument doesn’t even apply to accidents - another large category of gun deaths - larger than terrorism.
Actually thats your issue not knowing what your talking about and making that connection yourself in your quoted post we disagree on… Here I’ll put you back on point which you would like to distract from. Your own post which started this conversation and I quoted. You have no clue what you saying and according to our conversation, and really ought to read before you make more irrational statements like all that followed your original thought.
A point no-one contested but what does it have to do with your original post below I re-quoted or mood which you bought up and I asked to clarify? The point with either is you added words you never clarified for a question not needed to make sense in its relationship so we all know what your talking about. Again makes no sense.
No, this whole dialogue is YOUR TAKE which we are questioning a statement of your lacking reasoning from your own post. And thats the difference between our dialogue.
Thats the exact point, because its not rational they will and have done whatever and guns have nothing to do with this point. …
Thats the exact point, because its not rational they will and have done whatever and your proposal is somehow they will then come to a rational conclusion that a train isn’t around so they won’t commit suicide by train. Thats nonsense.