Political Party in Re: to Catholicism

[iamrefreshed]

My apologies. But to insist that there is only one proper way of voting as if the picture is just black and white is wrong. While I cannot vote for a prochoice candidate I laso cannot simply vote for a prowar, pro death penalty candidate as though they are truly prolife. I must seek out other options and it is not wasting my vote to do such.

You are trying to save the world with one vote. That’s impossible.

Start with a vote to stop killing babies and see where it leads. I believe it would lead to a more life loving world.

If you were starving, a slice of bread would suffice. Would you refuse it to wait around to see if a steak dinner showed up?

 

[vern_humphrey]

My apologies. But to insist that there is only one proper way of voting as if the picture is just black and white is wrong. While I cannot vote for a prochoice candidate I laso cannot simply vote for a prowar, pro death penalty candidate as though they are truly prolife. I must seek out other options and it is not wasting my vote to do such.

Jim, this is a pretext. You are using the Fallacy of Limited Alternatives, pretending that all pro-choice candidates are wholly objectionable in all other ways.

 

[goofyjim]

There’s no winning with you people so I will opt to keep my vote secret and noone will ever know who I vote for except me and God.

 

[estesbob]

My apologies. But to insist that there is only one proper way of voting as if the picture is just black and white is wrong. While I cannot vote for a prochoice candidate I laso cannot simply vote for a prowar, pro death penalty candidate as though they are truly prolife. I must seek out other options and it is not wasting my vote to do such.

Nobody says you should vote for a pro-life candidate just because they are pro-life. I never voted for Phil Gramm even though he was adamantly pro-life. By The same token I never voted for Kay Bailey Hutchinson even though she is a Republican because she was a little too wobbly on life issues for me. If faced with two pro-life candidates, all other things equal , I’ll always go for the Republican because of the way Congress works. A pro-life Democrat has little opportunity to bring about any change whatsoever. They’re also under great pressure to toe the party line Bob Casey being a good example of that.

 

[vern_humphrey]

There’s no winning with you people so I will opt to keep my vote secret and noone will ever know who I vote for except me and God.

Actually, you could win – if you were right and had logic on your side.

Here’s another challenge for you – name the Silver Bullet Bill that the Liberals have proposed and the Conservatives blocked – you know, the bill that would magically end all abortion.

There is no such bill, and there can be no such bill – because abortion is not driven by “need” or lack of support.

 

[goofyjim]

Actually, you could win – if you were right and had logic on your side.

Here’s another challenge for you – name the Silver Bullet Bill that the Liberals have proposed and the Conservatives blocked – yhou know, the bill that would magically end all abortion.

There is no such bill, and there can be no such bill – because abortion is not driven by “need” or lack of support.

Thanks for that ridiculous accusation. I have plenty of logic. It just doesn’t happen to agree with yours.

 

[RosalieM]

Dear Scians Daughter,

In reply to your original post:
I asked a priest about this only yesterday. I was assured that no candidate was perfect and that care for the poor and downtrodden was as important as issue for Catholics as abortion. I, too, am pro-life and disagree with my chosen candidate’s stand of allowing abortion in some instances. But this person strikes me as offering the strongest hope for the poor. The priest said I didn’t have to agree with everything the candidate stood for and that if I believe the candidate would do something for the poor, I should go ahead and vote for this person. (btw, even some of the Catholic Republican candidates were condoning abortion. )
Your fellows in your bible class are wrong to shun you. This is a free country. I was inspired by the priest’s reply to my concerns.

 

[goofyjim]

Nobody says you should vote for a pro-life candidate just because they are pro-life. I never voted for Phil Gramm even though he was adamantly pro-life. By The same token I never voted for Kay Bailey Hutchinson even though she is a Republican because she was a little too wobbly on life issues for me. If faced with two pro-life candidates, all other things equal , I’ll always go for the Republican because of the way Congress works. A pro-life Democrat has little opportunity to bring about any change whatsoever. They’re also under great pressure to toe the party line Bob Casey being a good example of that.

Then we have simply abandoned the Democrats. Well we need a few more prolfie Republicans then that would be similar to prolife Democrats. I know it would take a miracle but if the Dems were to get back on track with the right to life I would vote for them in a heartbeat for their poverty programs over the Republicans.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Thanks for that ridiculous accusation. I have plenty of logic. It just doesn’t happen to agree with yours.

I notice you didn’t answer the challenge.

 

[goofyjim]

I notice you didn’t answer the challenge.

And I refuse to answer anymore ridiculous challenges from someone so headstrong.

 

[gkroeger]

Dear Scians Daughter,

In reply to your original post:
I asked a priest about this only yesterday. I was assured that no candidate was perfect and that care for the poor and downtrodden was as important as issue for Catholics as abortion. I, too, am pro-life and disagree with my chosen candidate’s stand of allowing abortion in some instances. But this person strikes me as offering the strongest hope for the poor. The priest said I didn’t have to agree with everything the candidate stood for and that if I believe the candidate would do something for the poor, I should go ahead and vote for this person. (btw, Not all the Republican candidates are anti-abortion…even some of the Catholic Republican candidates. )
Your fellows in your bible class are wrong to shun you. This is a free country. I was inspired by the priest’s reply to my concerns.

Unfortunately, all Catholic Priests are not in tune with Catholic teaching. I strongly suggest that you visit this web site and read it carefully. Don’t take this one source as your guide either. Take the initiative to investigate and let your conscience be your guide.

caaction.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

 

[mary_bobo]

Then we have simply abandoned the Democrats. Well we need a few more prolfie Republicans then that would be similar to prolife Democrats. I know it would take a miracle but if the Dems were to get back on track with the right to life I would vote for them in a heartbeat for their poverty programs over the Republicans.

Jim, I understand what you are saying, but there is more than one way to help those in poverty and I don’t believe giving them things and money is the best way to go. Most people would like to be self-sufficient and make their own way and helping them do that is the better way, I think.

 

[mary_bobo]

Dear Scians Daughter,

In reply to your original post:
I asked a priest about this only yesterday. I was assured that no candidate was perfect and that care for the poor and downtrodden was as important as issue for Catholics as abortion. I, too, am pro-life and disagree with my chosen candidate’s stand of allowing abortion in some instances. But this person strikes me as offering the strongest hope for the poor. The priest said I didn’t have to agree with everything the candidate stood for and that if I believe the candidate would do something for the poor, I should go ahead and vote for this person. (btw, even some of the Catholic Republican candidates were condoning abortion. )
Your fellows in your bible class are wrong to shun you. This is a free country. I was inspired by the priest’s reply to my concerns.

With all due respect, I believe your priest was wrong. No candidate is perfect and supporting the poor is not as significant as abortion. No one of us could agree with anything any one candidate stands for. There are plenty of Republicans in the Congress who are pro-abortion, but that does not make it right.

 

[gkroeger]

Unfortunately, all Catholic Priests are not in tune with Catholic teaching. I strongly suggest that you visit this web site and read it carefully. Don’t take this one source as your guide either. Take the initiative to investigate and let your conscience be your guide.

caaction.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

The above link takes you to the home page of the Catholic Answers Action web site. The link below will take you to the PDF version of the Voting Guide for Serious Catholics.

caaction.com/pdf/Voters-Guide-Catholic-English-1p.pdf

 

[ribozyme]

Jim, I understand what you are saying, but there is more than one way to help those in poverty and I don’t believe giving them things and money is the best way to go. Most people would like to be self-sufficient and make their own way and helping them do that is the better way, I think.

I say copy the systems that work such as Sweden, although that would probably require border protection too so there would be less competition in lower skilled jobs in the labor market.

 

[RosalieM]

Unfortunately, all Catholic Priests are not in tune with Catholic teaching. I strongly suggest that you visit this web site and read it carefully. Don’t take this one source as your guide either. Take the initiative to investigate and let your conscience be your guide.

caaction.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

The priest I consulted is perfectly in tune with Catholic teaching, thank you very much. I don’t have to be in total agreement with the candidate of my choice. Take the initiative to ask a priest.

 

[estesbob]

Dear Scians Daughter,

In reply to your original post:
I asked a priest about this only yesterday. I was assured that no candidate was perfect and that care for the poor and downtrodden was as important as issue for Catholics as abortion. I, too, am pro-life and disagree with my chosen candidate’s stand of allowing abortion in some instances. But this person strikes me as offering the strongest hope for the poor. The priest said I didn’t have to agree with everything the candidate stood for and that if I believe the candidate would do something for the poor, I should go ahead and vote for this person. (btw, even some of the Catholic Republican candidates were condoning abortion. )
Your fellows in your bible class are wrong to shun you. This is a free country. I was inspired by the priest’s reply to my concerns.

AH! The mythical Catholic priest that backs up what ever it is we want to do. He appears in nearly every thread when people try to justify doing something that goes against the teachings of the Church. The “my priest told me it was okay” is very much a akin to the childhood excuse of “everybody does it”

I wonder why you need to depend on your priest to tell you what the proper courses is when Church teaching on this is very clear. If you’re priest told you it was okay to support abortion you need to report him to the bishop. and please do not try to claim that voting for a pro abortion candidate is not supporting abortion.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The priest I consulted is perfectly in tune with Catholic teaching, thank you very much. I don’t have to be in total agreement with the candidate of my choice. Take the initiative to ask a priest.

I have. His answer was, “Murder is murder is murder.”

 

[estesbob]

The priest I consulted is perfectly in tune with Catholic teaching, thank you very much. I don’t have to be in total agreement with the candidate of my choice. Take the initiative to ask a priest.

How can he be perfectly in tune with Catholic teaching when he allegedly told you something is direct contradiction to Catholic teaching? Could you post his e-mail address please? If he really is telling you this is okay I’m sure he will not have problem telling us misinformed Catholics where we can find the correct church teaching on this.

 

[mary_bobo]

Which is why the canard that “Republicans are pro-life because they are opposed to federal funding of abortions” is hollow. It’s not motivated by pro-life core beliefs, it’s motivated by anti-government beliefs. They’re opposed to the federal funding of ANYTHING (except the military, whose job it is to “kill people and break things”).

The primary purpose of the federal government is to provide for the common defense. It is quite a leap for you to assert that pro-life politicians are not really pro-life. It’s always so fascinating to watch the mental gyrations of liberals at election time. You don’t know what is in a person’s mind or heart and it is grossly irresponbible to think that you do. Our liberal friends in the Congress have made no secret of what they think about abortion at any time, embryonic stem cell research, gay marriage, ad nauseum.