Poll: Majority of Australian Catholics back same sex marriage

[Michael1978]

I truly don’t mean any offense. But how else do you explain the number of Catholics who dissent from Catholic teachings and do not confess to a priest?

13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:13-14

 

[Sy_Noe]

13Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:13-14

Rev 7:9 After this I had a vision of a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.

 

[Catholic13]

:clapping: Nicely done.

 

[reggieM]

Thank you!!

 

[Peter_J]

And a 2015 poll showed for every one Catholic convert, more than six Catholics leave the church.

I’m finding that hard to believe.

 

[Peter_J]

…
the Kingdom of God will continue unabated.

Well, we did survive a couple centuries of persecution in the early Church. Surviving the laws currently being passed can only be, at worst, about twice as hard as that.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Fear not as my aim is in no way to change any convictions nor to insult. Those things have never even entered my mind. Even if someone else wanted to, it’s not even likely to change convictions of anyone who is secure in their faith beliefs, regardless of whose beliefs. And discussion of different views certainly need not be considered an insult. To the contrary, I don’t see any fear of simply sharing views in discussion.

And I certainly am not endorsing what I see as the gang rape and inhospitality of Sodomites. Ezekiel states Sodom’s sins included not helping the poor, pride and arrogance, and gluttony. Neither do I endorse those. Although I do struggle at times myself with overabundance of food. Peace be with you in your faith.

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’m finding that hard to believe.

I suppose it could depend on what is meant by leave the church. Polls show a minority of Catholics attend Mass weekly. Have the others left even if they have not joined another? Or if someone attends but dissents on something and does not confess to a priest, is that considered leaving?

 

[Sy_Noe]

I have never used the word whore. I’ve been told however by Catholics on this thread that I am against God and in support of evil and now that I am blasphemous. I on the other hand have never insulted Catholics in such a way. I understand that you speak from Catholic belief. And that’s great for the Catholic faithful to do so since this is a Catholic forum. But we simply don’t share beliefs. A discussion of different beliefs does not mean insult simply because people might disagree. On the subject of homosexuality and SSM, my religious views align closer with mainline Christian denominations such as the UCC, PCUSA, TEC, and ELCA. But just because we view and may understand the word of God differently, does not mean Catholics should insult me. And though you may find it unnecessary, I myself can’t leave this thread without a wish for peace. Brightest blessings!

 

[Peter_J]

I’ve been told however by Catholics on this thread …

Of course we all know that it must be true if you read it on an internet discussion forum.

 

[Catholic13]

Of course we all know that it must be true if you read it on an internet discussion forum.

She is against God and does support evil. We can go over the facts if you’d like?

 

[I_trust]

First off I believe Sy is a man.

My problem with his posts is that not too subtlety encourages others to reject the authority of the Church by sudjesting the people leaving the Church have good reason. Encouraging others to leave the Church is prohibited on this forum.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The split in Ireland among Catholics was about 70% pro gay marriage. Because unless you are actively following the church’s teaching yourself, in particular regarding contraception, why would you be against gay marriage?
Most people don’t think much past the ‘love is love’ slogan.

If someone’s personal relationship is so powerful and so full of love, which means trust, stability, and sacrifice----tell me why the government needs to step in and adjust the scales.

To be perfectly honest I struggle to articulate my reasons to be against it from a secular viewpoint. If I (practicing catholic who voted no to gay marriage in the Irish referendum) find the secular arguments difficult to explain or quantify I’m not surprised others arent convinced.

1. Since so-called gay marriage was first legalized in the West, people have “married”

a) themselves
b) a ferris wheel
c) a laptop computer
d) characters who are not real

1. As Dennis Prager notes "the consequence of [so-called] gay marriage is that gender has now become irrelevant.
2. A classic, but the secular side has no real answers for any of this:
   tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html

 

[JimG]

If Catholics approve of same sex marriage, in what sense can they be called Catholic? Do they also approve of artificial contraception, cohabitation, masturbation, fornication, and a host of other ills brought on by the sexual revolution? Do they claim Catholicism by Baptism? Yes. By practice, no. By orthodoxy, no. By belief, no.

 

[Peter_J]

Do they also approve of artificial contraception

I don’t know about Australia, but a poll of U.S. Catholics showed that 8 percent said contraception is morally wrong, and 89 percent say it was either morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all.

 

[JimG]

I don’t know about Australia, but a poll of U.S. Catholics showed that 8 percent said contraception is morally wrong, and 89 percent say it was either morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all.

I’m not sure if I believe these polls or not. But a Catholic ought to believe all the teachings of the Church with respect to faith and morals. It’s not a pick and choose religion.

 

[Rau]

Catholics should be broken into two categories:

1. weekly mass attending Catholics
2. Catholics who attend less frequently than weekly.

Certainly, given the manner in which most become “Catholic”, the attribute of “Catholic” is only of minimal relevance in a survey of attitudes.

 

[CatholicSheila]

If Catholics approve of same sex marriage, in what sense can they be called Catholic? Do they also approve of artificial contraception, cohabitation, masturbation, fornication, and a host of other ills brought on by the sexual revolution? Do they claim Catholicism by Baptism? Yes. By practice, no. By orthodoxy, no. By belief, no.

The Church claims they are Catholic by Baptism. If the Church calls them Catholic, do we have the right to do otherwise?

I wish more Catholics followed Church teaching. I wish I followed it better. That they don’t, and I don’t, doesn’t make us non-Catholics. It makes them, and me, bad Catholics.

They will be held to account at their death as Catholics. If we say “but they’re not really Catholic” we’re also saying they don’t really have to live as the Church teaches and they won’t be held to those standards. Except they will be.

 

[Rau]

Further discussion on SSM “survey” and decision in Australia:

The "NO" Case in the Australian SSM Debate Social Justice

Australian Law currently defines Marriage as between a Man and a Woman (and has since there was a Federal Marriage Act). SSM advocates want this changed to redefine marriage as being between “two persons”. The federal government, prior to its election about a year ago, committed to putting the matter to a plebiscite which would have compelled every voter in the country to vote yes or no on the proposal. Subsequently, after the government was returned in the election, the senate chamber of …

 

[Saxum]

Those who support same-sex marriage have rejected the teachings of Christ and the teachings of his Church. They have apostatised from the Truth.