Poll on contraception

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What circumstances make sin “acceptable” then and why? And what does it mean for a sin to be acceptable?

If what you mean is evil can be accepted, or that it can be permissible to accept that another has sinned, then I agree, but what can’t be acceptable-- unless we are understanding this term very differently-- is to commit a sin.
 
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Arwing said:
Tolerating evil is not the same as doing it.
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No, sin includes acts of omission. If a husband and wife have a grave MORAL reason to avoid pregnancy, and in a moment of weakness, either is like “Welp, let’s just disregard our grave moral reason to avoid pregnancy, because contraceptives are sinful,” that is a graver sin. It is also more spiritually dangerous because of the level of spiritual pride blinding the person from the fact that if we’re talking about putting the woman’s life at risk with pregnancy, that puts the act of having sex under the category of murder.

So if you’re going to be guilty of murdering your wife through sex, and you decide to avoid murdering your wife by using contraception, it doesn’t justify your sin, but it mitigates the evil of having sex at all. It is a step in the right direction, it is a very human direction. It is not what we ought to be doing, but it is understandable and thus acceptable.

What is not acceptable is murdering your wife through sex.
 
QContinuum said:
Any drug has risks. All drugs have varying decrees of toxicity. Each individual must determine if the benefits outweigh them.
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THIS…which is why the risk pamphlets distributed with all meds are important to read.

FYI: I was once told that Aspirin turns into arsenic after a certain amount of time.
 
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In such a case, the acceptable action would seem to be to abstain.
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Only acceptable? It’s the right choice. It’s what you are to do. Acceptable involves some permissiveness. If I say it’s unacceptable to my child, then I’m saying I will not tolerate it. Action will be taken. Sometimes though I pick my battles. “Well, your room is acceptably clean. It’s not as it should be, but you did some of the work and now it’s best time.”

Whether my child is taking advantage of my mercy or whether they really hard trying their best isn’t something that is seen by merely looking as what ought to be.
 
It has a huge potential for accidental overuse (I’m not saying you’re doing that, but the danger exists). That’s part of what makes a drug a scheduled substance - not just because it’s a narcotic or dangerous, but its use/abuse potential. It’s how Tramadol got moved to a schedule like narcotics, even though it’s not a narc. It’s also how drugs like Ambien are scheduled/classed substances.

Don’t get me wrong - it is an AMAZING drug responsible for many other discoveries. But there’s a lot of consensus that were it discovered in the modern era, it would likely be controlled. It can help, and it can easily become dangerous.
 
OK. What happens if I use it too much (its my first goto for headaches and inflammation).
 
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I’ll pass this on as something that may be food for thought for those tempted to replace NFP with artificial methods of contraception.

My husband I have practiced NFP for the 8.5 years we have been married and we have had four children in that time. At one point I developed a persistent a UTI which I passed to him We took a long break from marital relations and we struggled with not being able to be intimate during that time. We had taken breaks after the birth of a child of course, but without the distraction of a new baby this just seemed like a long dull period in our relationship. We gave in to temptation and decided to use condoms for a few weeks (and yes it was wrong and yes, we have both confessed).

II know the unitive and procreative parts of the marital act can’t really be separated, but I wanted to mention each here briefly on their own.

We had sexual relations at total of three times during that period without a lot of satisfaction for either of us. Aside from the guilt I can say the unitive aspect of the marital act was missing and I was surprised how much I missed the physical intimacy with my husband. The wild and crazy recreational sex that people talk about wasn’t so wild or crazy.

For my husband especially the procreative aspect is a strong motivation for engaging in marital relations and after our first time using ‘protection’ he was pretty adamant this was going to be very short term . For myself, with procreation not possible, there was not the same anticipation beforehand, and afterwards I was pretty dispirited.

Well, that is my experience. I found having freedom from concerns about conceiving was not satisfying, either emotionally or physically, and the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the marital bed.
 
I think that’s a practical point a lot of people miss. Barrier methods make sex less enjoyable, and hormonal methods can really mess with a woman’s interest and physical response.

My husband has heard way too many, “Hey, guess what went wrong with my vasectomy” stories, from strangers at kids’ parties. I don’t know why. They certainly don’t tempt him to get one!
 
And actively encourages an attitude which accepts fornication and promiscuity as a lifestyle choice.
 
QwertyGirl said:
And provides overwhelmed couples with the ability to enjoy physical intimacy without concern or worry of brining another child into the world before they are ready.
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Consider that contraception is a means to objectify the partner. “I want your body, but not your procreative – I don’t want all of you.” or “You can have me, but not all of me.”

Sex is a gift from God and was created with the intention of being open to life, not to directly interrupt it.
 
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QwertyGirl said:
I have no problem with my husband just wanting my body without creating another human being while he is enjoying it. My body is a huge part of me. But I am agnostic. I just felt I needed to remark, since everyone else was indicating contraception is evil. I don’t agree.
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I gotcha’. I don’t think one has to have any religious affiliation to consider contraception to be wrong. There is definitely a temporal consequence to using them.
 
I thought Mary represented the Church …these pious sentiments are starting to get a little weird if you join the dots 🙂.
 
Why couldn’t this type of thinking be applied to marriage…“I only want you for your baby” (eg Prince Charles) or “Marriage legitimates sex”. Still objectification…so maybe its not a good argument for all contracepting.
 
Either way you’re separating the two essential aspect of sex. The argument against contraception still applies.
 
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