Poll on contraception

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I have had 3 priests and a Deacon tell me to personally use contraception. Those priests and Deacon are in grave error.
 
LittleFlower378 said:
I have had 3 priests and a Deacon tell me to personally use contraception. Those priests and Deacon are in grave error.
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Did it have to do with treating a condition like endometriosis? Or was it just to prevent conception and pregnancy?
 
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No these priest said it was ok for ME to use the contraception, say a condom.
 
Which isn’t what’s being debated here, is it?

We know that was an error. What you’re claiming about medical treatment is equally incorrect.
 
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SammyRose said:
Deacon can be wrong.
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Deacon is not in this case.

See Humanae Vitae, paragraph 15. Unless you want to argue that’s wrong as well. Here’s a screenshot from the Vatican site.

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That’s not the point of the discussion here. That’s deflection.

You are incorrect, (name removed by moderator) is not, he is right.

Note the screenshot from Humanae Vitae. Paragraph 15.
 
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They are.

And, in the case of a celibate person who uses them for legitimate reasons, they’re completely fine.
 
In the sense that life begins at conception, yes - as they block implantation. They prevent pregnancy - which doesn’t medically begin until implantation. Taken correctly, release of an egg is unlikely - so they still block the possibility of pregnancy from the start.
 
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Pup7 said:
See Humanae Vitae, paragraph 15. Unless you want to argue that’s wrong as well. Here’s a screenshot from the Vatican site.

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Thank you and thank you Deacon Jeff. I panicked for a second there.

There are quite a few medications and treatments that interfere with conception. It would be an awfully slippery slope for the Church to try to ban the use of all of them.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
There are quite a few medications and treatments that interfere with conception. It would be an awfully slippery slope for the Church to try to ban the use of all of them.
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Indeed.

Many cancer treatments render one sterile and incapable of conception (because it shuts down the ovaries) or fertilization (in the case of males experiencing inadequate sperm count or cessation of spermatogenesis - producing sperm - altogether). That’s pretty contraceptive, and no one would advocate withholding potential lifesaving treatment in that case based solely on that fact.
 
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LittleFlower378 said:
I have had 3 priests and a Deacon tell me to personally use contraception. Those priests and Deacon are in grave error.
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Ive also been told this by a priest. I did contact the dioces to correct his wrong advice. I did NOT tell the bishop about it, but only asked the diocese if it was permissable for the purpose of contracepting.

However, when ligitimately using a contraceptive for medical reasons, i dont believe those people need to abstain from marital sex.

I could be wrong, but i’ve never heard that requirement. The couple are not intending to contracept, but medically need to.

As for the PIL causing abortions, I think recent medical knowledge is showing that they do NOT cause abortions. If they do potentially cause abortions, then you may have a valid point about those PIL’s specifically.
 
The Pill itself is too low a dose to cause abortion with a single pill. Abortion is medically defined as termination of pregnancy - and pregnancy does not begin until implantation. That’s why you can’t tell you’re pregnant the morning after the egg is fertilized - we wait five days past the missed period to ensure that implantation is likely before we run a pregnancy test to confirm. With implantation, the hormone showing pregnancy is produced. It is not produced before implantation occurs.

But the Pill is a “backup” in that it causes enough changes in the uterus that it can block implantation should release of an egg occur.

Plan B, however, is indeed high enough to cause abortion in the earliest stages of implantation (within the first 72 hours) because it forces the hormonal shift in another direction. After that 72 or so hour window, the levels are too high for even Plan B to have an effect.
 
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LittleFlower378 said:
The source is that contraception is intrinsically evil and gravely immoral. This has been the teaching of the Church throughout the centuried in many Papal Encyclicals. One cannot use contraception no matter the circumstances or the intention. Once one decides to have relations when one is taking abortifacient contraception it has contraception and abortifacient ends and is intrinsically evil.
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This is not church teaching regarding taking drugs that cause sterility for medical purposes.
 
I agree with you in principle that it seems it would be OK to have sex with your spouse if using the pill for medical reasons without intending it’s use it for its contraceptive properties. However, I see a lot of room for abuse here. Kind of like medical marijuana use. If you’re using it for PMS or acne but like that it’s keeping you from getting pregnant, you might be crossing a line.
 
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