Poll on contraception

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I thought long if I should answer or discuss, threads like this one tend to change to the bad at some point.
To the “is it contraception or not?” question:
For me, in my terms of use, it’s even more weird to call it otherwise. When I fill out a document about my health status at the gyn doc I can make my cross at several hormonal or barrier methods and always have to hand write “nfp” on it to avoid further explanation.
Yes, the debate is nut picking for me. I’m orthodox, I have no doctrine forcing me to avoid condoms under all circumstances, but a call to live a god pleasing and holy marital sexuality. No, I don’t use any contraception but nfp. Because I got the moral sense of abstaining. But I won’t judge people who suffer because they feel lost in a jungle of terms and definitions.
 
I’m not sure I’ve ever been in polite conversation where “we contracept” got mentioned by any party, to be frank.

I imagine hearing anyone comment on their sex lives would be accompanied by the needle-ripping-across-a-record sound. Ya know, if life was a sitcom.
 
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Does technicality mean anything there?
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It means a great deal to those who are medically trained, and inclined to scientific, precise terms. As someone who was in a pre-med program (before I went the engineering track), I am not convinced by the subjective, emotionally-rendered definitions of such terms.

Call me a pedant, or blame it on my engineer mindset. But if a person is practicing NFP to avoid a pregnancy, then as I stated previously in this thread, the intent is the same as the one who puts on a condom. That’s the theological reasoning.

The scientific reason is that NFP is recognized medically, as a form of contraception. It relies upon scientific tools of observation, temperature readings, and other tests.

Therefore, if my spouse and I use a form of NFP to avoid pregnancy, (and we have in the past), we are contracepting.
 
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Which is the mod’s way of removing an account. For some reason they cannot actually delete an account
 
What happened to Syllogism? That guy and his posts seemed to have disappeared entirely after he went on his rampage yesterday.
 
Talking about the guy that’s… gotta put this lightly because the more traditional constituency absolutely flags posts… very pro-Mediatrix?
 
2 ways that NFP is used as contraception:

NFP that is attempted to be used to avoid pregnancy for the life of a marriage is contraceptive. This intention invalidated a marriage.

A couple although using NFP, use it with an attitude of rejecting life. Another words they are not open to life in their heart. They don’t will what God wills.

A couple using NFP although they may have legitimate reasons to try to postpone a pregnancy are still open to life and Gods will. A contraception couple is never open to life or Gods will.
 
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What a rabbit hole! Who cares?

Whats important is the moral difference. And its a huge one. So whatever reason you would want to use the term contracepting for NFP in the medical field, which I couldnt guess, is fine.

Reality in the faith is that the two terms mean different things.
 
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I agree with everything u say here except the “making calls by our paygrade.”

I’m defending the fact that contraception is not the same as NFP. That’s within my pay grade.

You clarified some points,thanks.
 
Please stop arguing. This has been litigated to the point of absurdity.
 
@(name removed by moderator) impresses yet again with his measured and educated views.

You’re a boon to the Church you serve, Deacon.
 
The making calls by our paygrade comment. This is a Catholic public forum where people are trying to defend the truth and try to give what the Church teaches to others along with giving their opinions on matters of faith. Some of these topics are of serious matter some are less serious, but talking about our faith is not above our pay grade. Maybe I think I know allot about these topics, but the reality is that I have not even begun to know. But unless one is trolling or preaching heresy, one should not be silenced.
 
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A couple using NFP although they may have legitimate reasons to try to postpone a pregnancy are still open to life and Gods will. A contraception couple is never open to life or Gods will.
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NFP couple: “We’re not ready to have a child yet, so we are taking precautions to avoid that outcome.”

Other methods couple: “We’re not ready to have a child yet, so we are taking precautions to avoid that outcome.”

12 months later:

NFP couple: “We’re ready for a baby, the time is right. We have altered our practices and are now actively trying to conceive.”

Other methods couple: “We’re ready for a baby, the time is right. We have altered our practices and are now actively trying to conceive.”

Conclusion: Both types of couples go through phases of wanting to avoid and actively desiring children. Don’t see the basis for the claim that contracepting couples (NFP or otherwise) are “never open to life.”
 
Maybe I’m wrong but the things I write are general comments about the faith. I have not judged a single person. I try to look at all people as better than me as brother Bernard(or it may have been Ruffino or Giles I forfget), one of St.Francis first companions did.
 
I was just pointing out that you are beating a dead horse. You obviously don’t want the actual Catholic teaching on this, which has been repeatedly spelled out for you, you want someone to give validity to what you think should be the Catholic teaching.

You refuse to stop posting things that are inaccurate even after you have been showed again and again and again where you err.
 
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