Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim

[seekerz]

I totally agree with you. In his book “Audacity of Hope” he states, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” He has been to Church once since he took office and that was last Easter Sunday. God forgive me for judging, but I believe he went only because he has been criticized for not joining a Church since he became President. He grew up in the Muslim world and I believe that is what he aspires to be.

Speculating about someone’s heart and personal inclinations, 0 dollars. Asking God to forgive you for judging but you proceeding to do it anyway - priceless…!

 

[seekerz]

That’s a blanket statement, and I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of what people are doing.

So characterize it for me, what moves people to declare someone else’s faith for him regardless of that individual’s stated beliefs? The milk of human kindness?

I’m not sure there is any more “obsessing” by Christians about his choices than there are Christians obsessed with he is not Muslim.

The difference is obsession with lies as opposed to obsession with the truth.

 

[qui_est_ce]

So characterize it for me, what moves people to declare someone else’s faith for him regardless of that individual’s stated beliefs? The milk of human kindness?

You made the claim that people are purposely lying and saying Obama is a Muslim, and then they attack him for being Muslim. I don’t think people who think he is Muslim are lying. They may be ignorant, but ignorance is not a lie. In fact, one Bob kept asking, what’s wrong with being Muslim?

The difference is obsession with lies as opposed to obsession with the truth.

See above.

 

[qui_est_ce]

He grew up in the Muslim world and I believe that is what he aspires to be.

Yes, but I don’t think Islam allows abortion. I know they don’t allow homosexual marriages. Obama supports both.

He may feel comfortable with it culturally, because he was raised in a Muslim country and had a father who came from a Muslim country.

 

[seekerz]

You made the claim that people are purposely lying and saying Obama is a Muslim, and then they attack him for being Muslim. I don’t think people who think he is Muslim are lying. They may be ignorant, but ignorance is not a lie. In fact, one Bob kept asking, what’s wrong with being Muslim?

See above.

Did you see that the numbers of people who believe him to be a Muslim has increased? Did some people who believed he was Christian suddenly stop believing that or did some who previously didn’t know his religion now suddenly ‘find out’ that he was Muslim? Either way, they still are blinded by something that’s not true, voluntarily or involuntarily.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Did you see that the numbers of people who believe him to be a Muslim has increased? Did some people who believed he was Christian suddenly stop believing that or did some who previously didn’t know his religion now suddenly ‘find out’ that he was Muslim? Either way, they still are blinded by something that’s not true, voluntarily or involuntarily.

Well, it’s a good thing this thread is here to educate people.

Obama does not embrace Muslim religious teachings. He is culturally Muslim due to his upbringing and father. Maybe that’s people mean when they say he is a Muslim.

I wouldn’t know if people “suddenly ‘find out’ that is Muslim.” I don’t see a cause and effect relationship here. You’re speculating as much as the rest here.

 

[janw]

newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2009/05/obama-national-day-of-prayer-.html

Seems he is handling things concerning National Prayer Day just as those before him. Like George Bush for example.

Most people are so busy hating & judging our president that few have time to pray for him as the scriptures require. I don’t agree with him on every issue but I do believe he is trying to help those that are having the hardest time in our world today.

 

[qui_est_ce]

newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2009/05/obama-national-day-of-prayer-.html

Seems he is handling things concerning National Prayer Day just as those before him. Like George Bush for example.

Not sure what you are getting at. Bush joined in public prayer on National Day of Prayer. Obama did not.

Most people are so busy hating & judging our president that few have time to pray for him as the scriptures require.

Disagreeing with his policies is not hating and judging. I’m welling to bet every single person on this thread prays daily for him and our leaders. I know at mass we always pray for our leaders.

Seems to me you are judging those who disagree with him.

I don’t agree with him on every issue but I do believe he is trying to help those that are having the hardest time in our world today.

Will have to disagree with you on that one.

 

[josephdavid]

I wonder if there is a poll that asks the American public:

What is more important? Jobs and a faltering economy or some one’s religion?

 

[seekerz]

Well, it’s a good thing this thread is here to educate people.

Obama does not embrace Muslim religious teachings. He is culturally Muslim due to his upbringing and father. Maybe that’s people mean when they say he is a Muslim.

I wouldn’t know if people “suddenly ‘find out’ that is Muslim.” I don’t see a cause and effect relationship here. You’re speculating as much as the rest here.

Culturally a Muslim because of a non-existent (during his childhood) father and elementary school years spent in Indonesia? So the years growing up in Hawaii don’t count? I spent part of my learning years in a Hindu community - does that make me ‘culturally’ Hindu? Does someone have the right to identify me as Hindu even if I profess that I’m a Catholic?

Actually, all my exposure to that culture has done is help me see that Hindus are people much like Bob and Shirley down the street, regardless of differences in faith. When an issue comes up that involves them, I can see it for what it really is rather than viewing it secondhand through the lens of someone else interpreting that culture for me.

Also, what do you mean by cause and effect relationship? I don’t see any speculation here: if the percentage of people wrongly identifying him as Muslim has increased, it’s either because some changed what they believe about him or some who were previously undecided have become convinced of something erroneous. Of course, the poll could also be terribly flawed. Can you come up with alternative explanations for those results?

 

[seekerz]

I wonder if there is a poll that asks the American public:

What is more important? Jobs and a faltering economy or some one’s religion?

Neither. Maybe something or someone to distract us from both and make our voting choices emotional reactions rather than rational decisions?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Culturally a Muslim because of a non-existent (during his childhood) father and elementary school years spent in Indonesia? So the years growing up in Hawaii don’t count? I spent part of my learning years in a Hindu community - does that make me ‘culturally’ Hindu? Does someone have the right to identify me as Hindu even if I profess that I’m a Catholic?

I grew up in the US, but we spoke German at home. I feel I am culturally German. My mother is French, I have cousins in France that I see frequently. I also studied in France in college. I feel culturally French as well.

Also, what do you mean by cause and effect relationship? I don’t see any speculation here: if the percentage of people wrongly identifying him as Muslim has increased, it’s either because some changed what they believe about him or some who were previously undecided have become convinced of something erroneous. Of course, the poll could also be terribly flawed. Can you come up with alternative explanations for those results?

You were speculating that people are lying

Thing is, others are seeking to do the choosing for him and then turning around and criticizing him for being what he isn’t. Christians obsessed with untruths about someone else’s personal choices is what is truly offensive.

I disagree with the above statement.

 

[josephdavid]

Neither. Maybe something or someone to distract us from both and make our voting choices emotional reactions rather than rational decisions?

Jobs are not important? But I agree it is a distraction. In my opininion it is a new wedge issue by the Republicans to distract us from the real problems in this country. Republicans have no solutions to jobs and the Democrats are too spinless to do anything and some of what they want to do is too much.

All the while China, India, Germany, Canada, Russia, Brazil and more are cleaning our clocks economically and are taking control of the global market.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Neither. Maybe something or someone to distract us from both and make our voting choices emotional reactions rather than rational decisions?

Speculation. Most people I know make rational decisions when they vote. I study the issues, my whole family gets together with the Voter’s Guide. Some are liberal, some are conservative. Take a look at the posters on these threads. A lot of them are extremely conservative. Many are highly knowledgeable. Estesbob, Ridgrunner, Gilliam. Are you saying they’re stupid enough to vote on a distraction?

How would you answer this:

Liberals paint anyone who disagrees with them as emotional Islamaphobes, homophobes, and racists. Conservatives can’t possibly make rational informed choices, because otherwise they’d agree with leftists.

 

[josephdavid]

Speculation. Most people I know make rational decisions when they vote. I study the issues, my whole family gets together with the Voter’s Guide. Some are liberal, some are conservative. Take a look at the posters on these threads. A lot of them are extremely conservative. Many are highly knowledgeable. Estesbob, Ridgrunner, Gilliam. Are you saying they’re stupid enough to vote on a distraction?

How would you answer this:

Liberals paint anyone who disagrees with them as emotional Islamaphopes, homophobes, and racists. Conservatives can’t possibly make rational informed choices, because otherwise they’d agree with leftists.

As for Ridgrunner I never heard him say that all Muslims are bad and evil. As for can conservatives make rational informed choices? Yes they can. Rep. Ron Paul is one of them as well as others.

In my opinion you are either for the 1st Amendment or not. You are for freedom of religion or not. You either respect and show tolerance to other people, cultures and religions or not.

For me this is a wedge issue to distract us from the real problems with America today.

 

[seekerz]

I grew up in the US, but we spoke German at home. I feel I am culturally German. My mother is French, I have cousins in France that I see frequently. I also studied in France in college. I feel culturally French as well.
You were speculating that people are lying

I disagree with the above statement.

What do you call it when people persist in spreading or believing something contrary to reality? Ignorance can only excuse so much I’m afraid and to me, that does not include the rising numbers this thread’s title alludes to - rising numbers that you seem unwilling or unable to try to explain.

 

[qui_est_ce]

What do you call it when people persist in spreading or believing something contrary to reality? Ignorance can only excuse so much I’m afraid and to me, that does not include the rising numbers this thread’s title alludes to - rising numbers that you seem unwilling or unable to try to explain.

Why do you insist I speculate? I don’t know anyone who thinks he’s a Muslim. I get my news from NPR, I never heard them call him a Muslim.

I think SOME people think Obama’s actions make him appear to agree with radical Islam agenda.

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[seekerz]

Speculation. Most people I know make rational decisions when they vote. I study the issues, my whole family gets together with the Voter’s Guide. Some are liberal, some are conservative. Take a look at the posters on these threads. A lot of them are extremely conservative. Many are highly knowledgeable. Estesbob, Ridgrunner, Gilliam. Are you saying they’re stupid enough to vote on a distraction?

How would you answer this:

Liberals paint anyone who disagrees with them as emotional Islamaphobes, homophobes, and racists. Conservatives can’t possibly make rational informed choices, because otherwise they’d agree with leftists.

You have totally lost me with this post. Of course I was speculating, I began the sentence with the word “maybe”. To whom that speculation applies is entirely a matter for the individual. To what use the matter I speculated on has been put, is pretty obvious.

 

[qui_est_ce]

For me this is a wedge issue to distract us from the real problems with America today.

Then you are the one being distracted from the real problems of America, the rest of us informed voters do not see it that way.

 

[seekerz]

Why do you insist I speculate? I don’t know anyone who thinks he’s a Muslim. I get my news from NPR, I never heard them call him a Muslim.

I think SOME people think Obama’s actions make him appear to agree with radical Islam agenda.

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Now we’re getting somewhere in this discussion. You think some people assign him the faith they believe his actions (which ones exactly, I’m not sure) point to. Well unless they have an electronic heart and mind reader, they are still being untruthful, since he has publicly declared himself to be a Christian.