Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim

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Roy5 said:
Critics of Obama re his religion should read “Dreams of My Fathers”. He is quite open in his discussion of his religion and his personal struggle with matters of faith. He describes in some detail his acceptance of Christ.
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I am beginning to worry about my beloved country. It seems that enormous hatred and distrust is being directed at Obama, much of it on the basis of scurrilous lies. I may or not vote for Obama in 2012 if he runs again, but I want him to be a good president, just as I wanted George W. to be good president. I am convinced that Obama is a genuine idealist who voices many of my ideals, too - many Christian ideals - but people like Emanuel and Exelrod trouble me. Can he supercede that Chicago crowd that I distrust? 

On the abortion issue, which seems to be the litmus test for most CAFers, how can we disagree with Obama when he says that abortion should be as rare and as safe as possible? While I am against abortion, I recall the hutchering that went on when they were illegal. I am acquainted with ine situation where the mother died when she decided that she could not provide for another child. She may have been wrong, but she didn't desrve to die.

And as with nearly everything else there may be some exceptions. In that situation where the nun was excommunicated, for example. If it is to save the life of the mother it may be the lesser evil. I am familiar with one situation where a faithful Catholic woman became pregnant and was warned by her doctor that another birth probably would mean her death and that of her baby. She had six young children already. Now, she decided not to have an abortion to 'prove her faith and her trust in God' - her sad husband explained later. Both she and the baby died, leaving six motherless children. 

 Now, some of you may salute her for her courage and all that. Frankly, I'm more concerned about the grieving husband and the six children she has left behind.

 Personally, I view Obama haters as unAmerican, people who are unwittingly weakening our nation and playing into the hands of our country's enemies.
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Well if he thinks abortion should be rare, why would he say to go ahead and deny medical treatment for infant from an unsucessful abortion? But that is beside the main point here.
I don’t hate Obama. I don’t even know him. But he practices and believes in despicable socialist ideas which have never worked anywhere they’ve been tried. He wants to redistribute wealth by forcefully taking it away from those who earned it through honest hard work and give it to someone else of his chosing. How can this not be wrong and despised?
He is the one destroying our country, not the folks who disagree with his policies. Why is it the first time he says anything about freedom of religion it is to support the legal right of Muslims to offend sensible and sensitive people. But let somebody use the word Christmas instead of holiday, put up a manger scene, or heaven forbid, have the 10 commandments in a public place and watch the fur fly.
I don’t hate him. But I hate absolutely everything he and his ilk stand for.
 
Roy5 said:
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 Personally, I view Obama haters as unAmerican, people who are unwittingly weakening our nation and playing into the hands of our country's enemies.
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Personally I view all Obama supporters as communists. I guess we don’t agree.
 
Good_News said:
This poll must be more proof (if anyone was interested in proof) of brainwashing by the liberal mainstream media.
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I think the brainwashing comes in when people actually think the media is liberal. It is not. It’s nice meeting the 28% the media is talking about. It appears to gather here.
 
markbrumbaugh said:
Well if he thinks abortion should be rare, why would he say to go ahead and deny medical treatment for infant from an unsucessful abortion? But that is beside the main point here.
I don’t hate Obama. I don’t even know him. But he practices and believes in despicable socialist ideas which have never worked anywhere they’ve been tried. He wants to redistribute wealth by forcefully taking it away from those who earned it through honest hard work and give it to someone else of his chosing. How can this not be wrong and despised?
He is the one destroying our country, not the folks who disagree with his policies. Why is it the first time he says anything about freedom of religion it is to support the legal right of Muslims to offend sensible and sensitive people. But let somebody use the word Christmas instead of holiday, put up a manger scene, or heaven forbid, have the 10 commandments in a public place and watch the fur fly.
I don’t hate him. But I hate absolutely everything he and his ilk stand for.
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This is the exact talk that is pumped 24/7 from a certain news source. they no longer pretend to be fair and balanced because their viewers no longer require the truth. A poster at the beginning of the thread was correct in the Big Lie" theory. This thread is proof of that. I would tend to give more credence to an arguement that is not as carefully worded after that day’s talking points. If one can’t take an arguement and put it in one’s own words i find it hard to believe it’s not a borrowed arguement.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
This is the exact talk that is pumped 24/7 from a certain news source. they no longer pretend to be fair and balanced because their viewers no longer require the truth. A poster at the beginning of the thread was correct in the Big Lie" theory. This thread is proof of that. I would tend to give more credence to an arguement that is not as carefully worded after that day’s talking points. If one can’t take an arguement and put it in one’s own words i find it hard to believe it’s not a borrowed arguement.
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This answer to post # 101 is proof that liberals don’t address the substance of points but rather attack the one making the point in an ad hominem way. One doesn’t need Fox news ( I don’t watch the network) to come up with reasons to hate what Obama’s doing to our country.

Ishii
 
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The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

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ishii said:
This answer to post # 101 is proof that liberals don’t address the substance of points but rather attack the one making the point in an ad hominem way. One doesn’t need Fox news ( I don’t watch the network) to come up with reasons to hate what Obama’s doing to our country.

Ishii
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It’s your right to hate obama’s policy or he himself. I found it interesting that most thinking this way tend to use the exact same language. That was my point.
 
markbrumbaugh said:
Well if he thinks abortion should be rare, why would he say to go ahead and deny medical treatment for infant from an unsucessful abortion? But that is beside the main point here.
I don’t hate Obama. I don’t even know him. But he practices and believes in despicable socialist ideas which have never worked anywhere they’ve been tried. He wants to redistribute wealth by forcefully taking it away from those who earned it through honest hard work and give it to someone else of his chosing. How can this not be wrong and despised?
He is the one destroying our country, not the folks who disagree with his policies. Why is it the first time he says anything about freedom of religion it is to support the legal right of Muslims to offend sensible and sensitive people. But let somebody use the word Christmas instead of holiday, put up a manger scene, or heaven forbid, have the 10 commandments in a public place and watch the fur fly.
I don’t hate him. But I hate absolutely everything he and his ilk stand for.
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Opening up the option of abortion to the world is very much Obama’s policy. He is very much a typical Democrat on this score.
His religious roots,learnt from his mentor, Reverend Wright are Black Liberation theology, much like Nation of Islam Farrakhan, and Catholic priest Pfleger.
these are his Christian roots, for all practical purposes not different than Muslim Farrakans.

There is very much a civil war of ideals going on in America now. Barrack Obama is very much for abortion, very much for an America that resembles the world, that acquiesces to third world demans for ‘social justice’, very much for an America that does not stand out as exceptional, but submits to the world.
Division is indeed a good thing, when the choices become so stark.

As Pope Benedict himself has said there is something very *demonic *to the idea of collective salvation that Black Liberation Theology ascribes to.
It is not therefore un-American at all to understand that the Christianity that Obama subscribes to is not much different than the Nation of Islam theology that Muslim Farrakan subscribes to. This is likely what many Americans are noting about him too.
 
ishii said:
This answer to post # 101 is proof that liberals don’t address the substance of points but rather attack the one making the point in an ad hominem way. One doesn’t need Fox news ( I don’t watch the network) to come up with reasons to hate what Obama’s doing to our country.

Ishii
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I think Kadeveri addressed the issue with 3 lengthy posts. He wasn’t skirting an issue but offering proof with links if anyone cared to read them.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
It’s your right to hate obama’s policy or he himself. I found it interesting that most thinking this way tend to use the exact same language. That was my point.
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When a hundred different people correctly point out the obvious, like “the sky is blue”, of course they’ll mostly be using the same language. How many different ways can you possibly phrase such a plain and straightforward truth in the first place?.. and more importantly, why does it even make a difference? :rolleyes: Such an attempt at nitpicking only signals the desperation of the one making it.
 
exoflare said:
When a hundred different people correctly point out the obvious, like “the sky is blue”, of course they’ll mostly be using the same language. How many different ways can you possibly phrase such a plain and straightforward truth in the first place?.. and more importantly, why does it even make a difference? :rolleyes: Such an attempt at nitpicking only signals the desperation of the one making it.
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I’m an English teacher. If two or more students write the exact same thing…I’m a little suspicious. If more than two posters use the exact same frame of reference I have to wonder what they are reading or who they are listening to and “borrowing from”
Can’t help but wonder. It’s how i roll.
 
exoflare said:
When a hundred different people correctly point out the obvious, like “the sky is blue”, of course they’ll mostly be using the same language. How many different ways can you possibly phrase such a plain and straightforward truth in the first place?.. and more importantly, why does it even make a difference? :rolleyes: Such an attempt at nitpicking only signals the desperation of the one making it.
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Since the moderator mentioned it, this seems like an ad hominem attack.
 
i think the reason why most of us are confused about Obama’s faith, is that he does not appear very devout. if he is a Christian, it seems strange that he hasn’t found a place to worship every Sunday. i think he is still struggling with issues concerning religion, which is the right of every American citizen. at this point, i don’t think he would know how to be a devout muslim, or buddhist or mormon either. i don’t think he has made a total commitment towards a single belief - which is just my opinion.
 
7_Sorrows said:
i think the reason why most of us are confused about Obama’s faith, is that he does not appear very devout. if he is a Christian, it seems strange that he hasn’t found a place to worship every Sunday. i think he is still struggling with issues concerning religion, which is the right of every American citizen. at this point, i don’t think he would know how to be a devout muslim, or buddhist or mormon either. i don’t think he has made a total commitment towards a single belief - which is just my opinion.
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We don’t know what’s in his heart. Who are we to judge?
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
I think Kadeveri addressed the issue with 3 lengthy posts. He wasn’t skirting an issue but offering proof with links if anyone cared to read them.
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Like I said. You didn’t address the substance of the post you were referring to.

Ishii
 
Here are substantial evidence of Obama acting Islamic. Before and after pictures. We all know, kaffars are not allowed inside the mosque, right? 😉
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
We don’t know what’s in his heart. Who are we to judge?
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who are we to judge? we have a right to know because he is the president of the united states. i wasn’t judging, i was giving my opinion. i think obama has a lot of secrets and we may never find out the real answers. i would appreciate a president who is more open and forthcoming about himself.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
I’m an English teacher. If two or more students write the exact same thing…I’m a little suspicious.
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You would be. Because if more than one student answers the question “Who wrote Hamlet?” with the word “Shakespeare” then clearly something’s up, right? :rolleyes:
Since the moderator mentioned it, this seems like an ad hominem attack.
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Sorry but no one believes you. If you were serious, go and look up what “ad hominem” actually means. Maybe you should also look up the term “red herring” while you’re at it, so now at least you’ll know the name for the arguments you use.
 
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