Poorly Formed Catholics Biggest Obstacle to New Evangelization

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This fact alone is one of the biggest hurdles for the Church. For the past 40 years there has been virtually no catechesis of the lay faithful. Not that the lay faithful have no responsibility in their “continuing education” so to speak of the faith. The lay faithful were all too willing to lap up the relative and relaxed message from the pulpit. It has been a duel problem, however, I do believe it started with the heirarchy of the Church. I believe they thought the approach should be “I’m OK, you’re OK.” Problem is they took it to extreme levels. Nothing was really sinful anymore. No need for individual confession, we’ll just do “general group confessions”. Birth Control? Well, it depends on the circumstances, not usually sinful to practice. And it goes on and on and on.

Problem being, once the Genie is out of the bottle, how do you put him back in?
Your point about individual confessions to take that a step further if I may.

The priests in the old days would stay in the confessional for hours upon hours. Now days
if you cant make their scheduled confessions you need to make an appointment. Or confession by apointments only.Its handled more like a business than a parish of compassion and concern. Less and less importance is given to confession and the Eucharist is my point.
 
At least, we have more information accessible to us via the Internet.

For example, there’s Father Barron, with his Youtube account and the Word on Fire Picture Show Films. I remember the Catholicism series being shown at RCIA. And there a few Catholic bloggers and writers who are making their way through mainstream media like Fr. Martin, Jesuit and “Chaplain of the Colbert Show” and with Kindle, Nook, etc, it’s a lot easier to get a hold of their works.
 
At least, we have more information accessible to us via the Internet.

For example, there’s Father Barron, with his Youtube account and the Word on Fire Picture Show Films. I remember the Catholicism series being shown at RCIA. And there a few Catholic bloggers and writers who are making their way through mainstream media like Fr. Martin, Jesuit and “Chaplain of the Colbert Show” and with Kindle, Nook, etc, it’s a lot easier to get a hold of their works.
Excellent resources, and thank you for mentioning them! Also, Fr. Barron’s Catholicism series is another!
 
At least, we have more information accessible to us via the Internet.
Amen! Most often, the internet is a total cesspool filled with the kinds of “scholars” you might find at Venice Beach, Harvard Square (NOT Harvard University), and wherever supposedly “educated”, pompous, over-inflated, arrogant know-it-alls gather.

Access to the internet has helped me immeasurably!
 
This fact alone is one of the biggest hurdles for the Church. For the past 40 years there has been virtually no catechesis of the lay faithful. Not that the lay faithful have no responsibility in their “continuing education” so to speak of the faith. The lay faithful were all too willing to lap up the relative and relaxed message from the pulpit. It has been a duel problem, however, I do believe it started with the heirarchy of the Church. I believe they thought the approach should be “I’m OK, you’re OK.” Problem is they took it to extreme levels. Nothing was really sinful anymore. No need for individual confession, we’ll just do “general group confessions”. Birth Control? Well, it depends on the circumstances, not usually sinful to practice. And it goes on and on and on.

Problem being, once the Genie is out of the bottle, how do you put him back in?
Sadly in many cases the teachers that are responsible for our youth’s Religious Formation are among those that need to be retrained in the teachings of Holy Mother Church.
 
For the past 40 years there has been virtually no catechesis of the lay faithful. Not that the lay faithful have no responsibility in their “continuing education” so to speak of the faith. The lay faithful were all too willing to lap up the relative and relaxed message from the pulpit. It has been a duel problem, however, I do believe it started with the heirarchy of the Church. I believe they thought the approach should be “I’m OK, you’re OK.” Problem is they took it to extreme levels. Nothing was really sinful anymore. No need for individual confession, we’ll just do “general group confessions”. Birth Control? Well, it depends on the circumstances, not usually sinful to practice. And it goes on and on and on.

Problem being, once the Genie is out of the bottle, how do you put him back in?
Seems everyone is on board with this particular perspective. And while I have seen no lack of this issue, I also see a lot of the opposite issue: children being raised in abominably strict, sterile households where even charity is sanitized away. For those people, they forever associate “Catholic” with an unloving environment.

When I was growing up, I was fortunate enough to know literally a handful of people (no, they were not family) who exemplified love of God and fellow man, were passionately Catholic, and embraced the Church rules. Note the order in which I put those. I credit them with being my primary faith-related influence. What the Church needs is more people who live the heart and soul of being Catholic; those are the people that attract the good kind of attention for having a serenity that is other-worldly.
 
The biggest problem is simply the secularization of society and the resultant lessening influence of mainstream churches. Megachurches who teach the prosperity gospel and provide entertainment and various secular programs for members seem to be doing well in many instances. Rick Warren and other similar authors have been selling briskly. People still want spiritual guideposts but even the Catholic church has allowed itself to lose much of its spiritual authority, for reasons I don’t understand - complacency maybe? We are currently invited to three weddings this summer, none of which will be in a church of any kind. Twenty years ago that would have been unthinkable.
 
I agree that complacency is a HUGE problem. However, with that being said, if there were more priests, perhaps the Church could focus on evangelization instead of struggling just to function day-to-day.
 
I teach 6th grade Catechism in the South. The parents of my students know very little about their faith. I have two clear goals:
  1. Teach the kids their faith such that they are already on the way to being able to evangelize as adults.
  2. Teach the kids their faith such that they can evangelize their parents right now.
I put my hope in the kids; not the parents. If you know your faith, get in the classroom.
 
I teach 6th grade Catechism in the South. The parents of my students know very little about their faith. I have two clear goals:
  1. Teach the kids their faith such that they are already on the way to being able to evangelize as adults.
  2. Teach the kids their faith such that they can evangelize their parents right now.
I put my hope in the kids; not the parents. If you know your faith, get in the classroom.
Can I ask what parish you’re at? I’m at St. Anne’s in Sumter.
 
I teach 6th grade Catechism in the South. The parents of my students know very little about their faith. I have two clear goals:
  1. Teach the kids their faith such that they are already on the way to being able to evangelize as adults.
  2. Teach the kids their faith such that they can evangelize their parents right now.
I put my hope in the kids; not the parents. If you know your faith, get in the classroom.
It is a very revealing moment when a 7th grade religious ed student cannot recite the Hail Mary and you realize with a sinking heart they probably never pray at home. True story, in my class, just this year. I completely agree with your goals, but what does it say when the parents don’t even bring their kids to Sunday Mass on a consistent basis and a sign up sheet must be posted in the narthex to prove those preparing for a sacrament have attended Mass. Let alone the fact that some classes only had a 50-60% attendance record. So very sad!
 
A Vatican official says poorly-formed Catholics present -]one of/-] the biggest challenge -]s/-] to the late Pope John Paul II’s vision of evangelizing formerly Christian societies in the West.

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If the witnesses cannot or will not witness, very little effective evangelization will occur. Potential converts will hear a bastardized, corrupted, or compromised message – often based on private opinion, popular misunderstanding, feeling, or conflicting information. It is not possible for merely a minority core group of Catholics to carry the day; their message is not being heard over the roar of cacophany in the lamely catechized modern Catholic population.

Vatican 2 is not responsible for this situation. (As has often been accurately repeated.) However, the fact remains that even poorly practicing Catholics prior to V2 did know their faith, and the tenets of that faith (including the disciplines & practices) were therefore also widely recognized outside of the faith. Watch some old black & white movies in which the subject surfaces for some reason (marriage, divorce, death, any number of narrative issues). You will notice that the non-Catholic characters in those movies pick up immediately on what that Catholicity suggests, and that understanding reflected what was also known in the real world. In real life, everything from the articles of the Creed to Holy Days of Obligation were recognized by non-Catholics as representing the authentic Catholic faith. There was no such thing as an alternate Catholic faith (to the non-Catholic world), or several thousand different versions of Catholicism, depending on that Catholic’s “private beliefs.”

And (surprise!) there still is no such thing as an alternate Catholic faith.

And while I do understand what V2 did and did not say (none of which was heresy or even a “new” Catholicism), I continue to be troubled by some of the loosely interpreted tributaries in areas such as liturgy, because liturgy is not “just” worship: worship is a reflection of what and how we believe. The permission to use the vernacular (worldwide) has been expanded to include so many cultural practices, that in the case of the U.S., that often translates to a populist version of Catholicism, as opposed to a faithful version.

That ^ becomes evident in the annual liturgical conferences held in such places as Los Angeles. (Not to be confused with the Eucharistic conferences, such as the one in Ireland.) These conferences are a motley of make-it-up-as-you-go liturgy, as well as lyrics, talks, homilies, etc. which any observer interested in Catholicism would receive as a very confusing representation of our faith.

Others have already touched on the catechesis crisis, one which has not gone away. I think it is so evident that this is the first place to start, and that it is time to revise catechetical regulations (this has been suggested by some clergy on CAF, too) so that examinations are required prior to Confirmation, at any age. And there should be a massive initiative on behalf of adult re-catechesis. Initially, that would tax the priesthood and/or other religious, as it would require vetting of instructors by theologically trained priests/sisters; but once accurate theological training was assessed for lay teachers who have gone through the many graduate schools and other Catholic training institutions/programs, lay teachers could assume this task, with mere oversight by pastors and other religious.
 
Others have already touched on the catechesis crisis, one which has not gone away. I think it is so evident that this is the first place to start, and that it is time to revise catechetical regulations (this has been suggested by some clergy on CAF, too) so that examinations are required prior to Confirmation, at any age. And there should be a massive initiative on behalf of adult re-catechesis. Initially, that would tax the priesthood and/or other religious, as it would require vetting of instructors by theologically trained priests/sisters; but once accurate theological training was assessed for lay teachers who have gone through the many graduate schools and other Catholic training institutions/programs, lay teachers could assume this task, with mere oversight by pastors and other religious.
Good luck with that. I don’t see it happening anytime soon. This is not considered a priority in the Church.

[It has nothing to do with my opinion of whether it should be a priority or not. Just stating the facts.]
 
Good luck with that.
“Good luck with that?” ??? Do you assume that I think the Vatican consults with me, or should? I’m not responsible for leading the American church, so I think your “good luck” suggestion has no place being directed to me.
I don’t see it happening anytime soon. This is not considered a priority in the Church.

[It has nothing to do with my opinion of whether it should be a priority or not. Just stating the facts.]
In the same way that I am just stating the facts.
 
“Good luck with that?” ??? Do you assume that I think the Vatican consults with me, or should? I’m not responsible for leading the American church, so I think your “good luck” suggestion has no place being directed to me.

In the same way that I am just stating the facts.
Well, good luck to anybody trying to do this. You can get all bent out of shape, but it won’t change the fact that this is not a major priority for most Catholics, and it’s not a major priority for the Church.

Seriously, all this talk about evangelization is only the practical result of decades of loss in both Europe and the US. Mass attendance rates are in the single digits in Europe. The second largest religious group in the USA is ex-Catholics. A full 10% of all Americans have been Catholic and left at some point in their lives.

pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux%283%29.aspx

And yet, even this doesn’t elicit serious behavior. 🤷
 
And there should be a massive initiative on behalf of adult re-catechesis. Initially, that would tax the priesthood and/or other religious, as it would require vetting of instructors by theologically trained priests/sisters; but once accurate theological training was assessed for lay teachers who have gone through the many graduate schools and other Catholic training institutions/programs, lay teachers could assume this task, with mere oversight by pastors and other religious.
👍 Have you heard of Maryvale Institute, Elizabeth? What you propose is exactly how it is done by them.
 
👍 Have you heard of Maryvale Institute, Elizabeth? What you propose is exactly how it is done by them.
I have not, Santi, but I’m thrilled to learn it, and glad to hear that someone has enacted “my” idea (haha). And right now I’m watching EWTN’s PrimeTime Live. The guest is a deacon involved in InstituteofCatholicCulture.org (in D.C., I think), which recognizes that it is adult catechesis which is the phase so desperately needed in the Church. It is a comprehensive free program, including live on-line classes. Fr. Groeschel started to ask the guest briefly about “who would do that” (more universally in the U.S. Church, especially), but then got off on a personal tangent, as Groeschel often does, before asking the question. We’ll see if it’s raised before this episode is over in less than 30 minutes.

I refuse to believe that there are not the will and resources in the American church to make this happen, regardless of what “official priorities” are operative. Changes in opportunities often come about due to local demand on the parish level. This is what happened several years ago when it came to a revival in interest in scripture study among Cathlics not educated in that. Locally, it generated study groups and was eventually officially sponsored by some local parishes.
 
It seems that I’ve answered my own question by going to their website. It’s a centralized learning center. However, given what energy tends to be generated when such learning opportunties are presented in community, I’m hoping to suggest to local parishes to take advantage of this by presenting these lessons & episodes in-parish (such as has happened with Jeff Kavins’ The Great Bible Adventure and Fr. Robert Barron’s Catholicism).

I’ve been to a series of these episodes projected on large screen, and followed by lively discussion. I think that this would be the best way to handle them. In any case, tonight’s PrimeTime Live’s subject (or is it Sunday Night Prime – I often get titles mixed up with secular programs) was in fact The New Evangelization.
 
Fr. Robert Barron’s Catholicism).
Father Barron was in the UK this month and I met him on 4th May. Had to stomp over a few bodies though as St Patrick’s was packed. A few Parishes have started with his Catholicism series over here.
 
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