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I think there is a sentence that says that statistics have no meaning to most conservatives when discussing dogma, but now that I think of it, there was really no dogma involved. You will not catch the gay gene by watching or listening to performers who are gay or might be straight but play a gay character in a movie or on TV.
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sallybutler
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Pop stands for popular. At one point Bach, Strauss, Beethoven were probably Pop.
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zz912
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You never got around to addressing my question about if Harry Connick Jr had yet disavowed his participation in the highly deviant show Will & Grace? Why is that?You understand that an actor is an actor, right? I think that when planning the MSG event, the Cardinal and his staff did an awesome job. Thankfully we live in the USA where we are not part of a Putin type pogom on humans who are not straight. In America, over 50% of Catholics support civil marriage for all. I fully understand that statistics have no meaning when discussing dogma, but, especially in one of the most progressive cities in the entire world, the performers seem too be well chosen. Über conservative Catholics are going to be unhappy with Pope Francis no matter what he does because he is trying to show compassion and understand those in lifestyles other than the Catholic norm. This world is not black and white, thank goodness. We need the slight shades of grey and the wonderful pop of colors in our lives which obviously means that differences are what makes this world fascinating.
You instead accused me of supporting pogroms against homosexuals, which is slander and uncharitable.
And could you explain to me how participation in a show with glorifies highly deviant and sinful behavior is in the “gray” area?
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Linguistically you are correct. But lets not get carried away and draw any similarities between Absolutle musical insparations who created works for God and Queen Bey…
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zz912
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I wonder how Mr. Sheen reconciles these two contradictory positions.I think Martin Sheen is a fine choice too, but he does play a gay manin a homosexual relationship
The movie The Way was excellent. The only nitpick I had with it was the spreading of the ashes, but overall very well done.Yes, I saw the movie *The Way * that he did with his son Emilio, and I thought it was good, though the script was a little trite and predictable at times. Loved the visuals of the Road of St. James. I was raised on all of those Insight programs from Paulist Productions that Sheen often starred in back in the '60s.
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ProVobis
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Yeh, that’s when they started the Top 40.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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Probably the same as the majority of Catholic who support the homosexual lifestyle.
No surprise there.
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christofirst
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I cannot speak for Mr. Sheen, but if I had to guess, I think he sees it as a social justice issue. It seems like he has always gone out of his way to stand up for those he sees as oppressed. Sheen wasn’t a farm worker, but he thought they were being treated unfairly so he marched with them and Cesar Chavez during the UFW strike. He is not gay, but he is apparently sympathetic to the bigotry and even violence that has often been used against them, and has no qualms about portraying a gay man.
Or maybe he is just a liberal…
I forgot about that part of the movie. Maybe it was meant to symbolize his letting go of a past that was keeping him from moving forward, and not trying to teach anything about approved Catholic burial practices.
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EIF5A
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Maybe they’ll surprise us with a reverent rendition of “Hail Holy Queen”…
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frangiuliano115
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Gosh kozlosap,
Why treat me like an idiot?
What does being catholic mean to you? Don’t you get it?
Do you think it’s okay to have gay or even SSM sitcoms on TV?
What do you think of Alice Cooper? He’s a really intelligent guy with normal ideas and a relatively normal life. (I don’t know how normal these people’s lives could be). He said he souldn’t be taken seriously when he’s on stage. It’s just an act. His words.
So do you think it’s okay to portray something you’re not?
Remember how those kids were screaming?
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Mary_Gail_36
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Harry Connick Jr. played for Pope Benedict as well at Yankee Stadium. As I recall he didn’t sing anything inappropriate.We walk this earth so sure of our superiority and that we are the apex of human knowlege and tallent. Then, we showcase this with our accomplishments and offer to the Pope the best we have to offer.
I wonder how history will judge our “pinnacle”
Harry Connick Jr:
Performing for the Pope. Arrested trying to bring a gun through airport security. Was a staple on a show that glorified homosexual sodomy.
Jennifer Hudson
Staunch Supporter of SS"M" not only singing about it but being quite active in pushing it to be legal. Supporter of one of the most pro death presidents, despite the fact that her family was murdered in the streets that Obama and Emmanuel claimed to be social activists for. Baptist.
Gloria Estefan.
Hey, at least this one is not a bad choice. But I could have sworn that the 1980s was a different Pope… Two Popes ago? Well, perhaps our nostalgia is right, you may have to go back 30 years to find any sort of talent at all:shrug: One has to wonder though, Shakira? Her hips don’t lie. Was she too busy?
While we are at it? Was Sinead OConner not available?
No, NWA? No Snoop? No Villiage People? man… this is as hard to book as the super bowl halftime show…
Somebody get Brittany Spears on the Phone and see if she still has that Catholic School Girl outfit…
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Hoosier_Daddy
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I’d rather have Buble…
Buble Singing Ol Blue Eye’s mafia hits.
Toby Keith Singing Courtesy of the Red White and Blue.
Lady Gaga Singing “Born This Way”.
Madona Singing Ave Maria (of course)
Nikki Menage (as Roman)
NWA (any song about race or the Police)
Sublime (Santaria)
Snoop and Dre Wait, scratch that East Coast is where the Pope is so, Jay Z “empire State of Mind” Complete with Crucifixion scene.
Ricky Martin “Livin La Vida Loca”
And of course just for my boy band fix. NSYNC with JT ANY SONG.
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phil19034
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Honestly, I don’t understand why there is a public mass at Madison Square Garden to begin with.
When everything was being planned, the the Mass at Madison Square Garden was supposed to be for priests and religious only.
The events in NYC and DC were supposed to be private, with the only public Mass and events in Philadelphia for the World Meeting of Families.
The events in NYC & DC were not supposed to detract from the World Meeting.
But now, if you listen to the Catholic Channel, they make it sound like the most important part of the Pope’s trip is NYC.
Having public events in NYC & DC have somewhat hurt the pilgrimage to Philadelphia. The travel restrictions getting to Philly actually make it more of a true pilgrimage.
There is actually a parish in the Archdiocese of Baltimore that is truly embracing the idea of “pilgrimage” and WALKING to Philadelphia.
But instead of emphasizing the pilgrimage part, DC and NY have decided to put the Pope on “display” so people don’t have to travel the mere 90–100 miles to Philadelphia.
When everything was being planned, the the Mass at Madison Square Garden was supposed to be for priests and religious only.
The events in NYC and DC were supposed to be private, with the only public Mass and events in Philadelphia for the World Meeting of Families.
The events in NYC & DC were not supposed to detract from the World Meeting.
But now, if you listen to the Catholic Channel, they make it sound like the most important part of the Pope’s trip is NYC.
Having public events in NYC & DC have somewhat hurt the pilgrimage to Philadelphia. The travel restrictions getting to Philly actually make it more of a true pilgrimage.
There is actually a parish in the Archdiocese of Baltimore that is truly embracing the idea of “pilgrimage” and WALKING to Philadelphia.
But instead of emphasizing the pilgrimage part, DC and NY have decided to put the Pope on “display” so people don’t have to travel the mere 90–100 miles to Philadelphia.
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frangiuliano115
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Hello Samwise1
You didn’t react too quickly, I type too quickly!
I find U2 very agreeable. When you go to one of their concerts it’s like going to a christian gathering! I wouldn’t say that they’re a christian band, I’d say that they’re a band of christians. I think Adam recently joined the flock and became christian too; he’s the bass player.
Each and every one of their songs has a christian concept in it. You could tell that Bono, and sometimes Edge - the songwriters - know their bible well.
It was nice of you to explain about the set up at the Garden. I used to live in Queens in NYC but am now here in Europe, so I don’t really understand anymore what’s going on. For general admission tickets it used to be okay to show up even an hour before a concert if you didn’t care where you sat. I never liked general admission though, and the only time I went to one was for China Crises way back when. Gosh, I’m old!
What do you see happening for WYD in Poland? I went to a meeting at church this evening for bible instructors (me) and found out some things are changing. You sound young and may not be interested in this stuff. But it’s all good, so no problem.
If you feel like telling me about spiritual initiatives for Poland, I’d be interested to know. I used to teach catechism to kids up to the age of 13 (I know you’re older!) and now have a small bible study group for church - that’s why I’m interested.
You could get Fran out of the church, but you can’t get the church out of Fran!
God bless
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phil19034
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In regards to the “pop singers” before the papal Mass at Madison Square Garden…
Why not do the Liturgy of the Hours, select readings, Holy Hours, and have historic Church music?
They could have filled the time with plenty of devout Catholic things, just like when I go to the Cathedral Basilica in Philadelphia for several hours on Good Friday.
They could have made it beautiful & devoutly Catholic … but instead they choose to make it common & American.
Why not do the Liturgy of the Hours, select readings, Holy Hours, and have historic Church music?
They could have filled the time with plenty of devout Catholic things, just like when I go to the Cathedral Basilica in Philadelphia for several hours on Good Friday.
They could have made it beautiful & devoutly Catholic … but instead they choose to make it common & American.
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Mary_Gail_36
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OK, I get that you don’t believe Harry Connick Jr. is capable of singing reverently (like for Pope Benedict)…
I did go to Mass at Yankee Stadium, it was reverent. I am sure it will be reverent this time.
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frangiuliano115
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Mary Gail,
What is it with Harry? He bores me to tears. We all have our taste, but I don’t get it. Michael Buble is the same story. I actually think he sings better than Harry. Am I wrong?
The new crooners. I don’t think so.
God bless
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