Pop singers to perform before papal Mass at Madison Square Garden

[Hoosier_Daddy]

OK, I get that you don’t believe Harry Connick Jr. is capable of singing reverently (like for Pope Benedict)…

I did go to Mass at Yankee Stadium, it was reverent. I am sure it will be reverent this time.

Actually that was not my point at all.

But as an aside. you and I must have different ideas of reverence…

Be that as it may, I am just playing at this anyway. Just funnin…

But I will say one of the worst Masses for reverence came under BXVI WYD Australia… Wow…

Can’t help but wonder though. With so many Catholics, where are the great artists and musicians that Glorify God?

Mary Gail,

Have you viewed the HCJR episodes of Will and Grace? I used to watch that show “religiously” in my younger (and less Holy) life…

 

[Colorad007]

You understand that an actor is an actor, right? I think that when planning the MSG event, the Cardinal and his staff did an awesome job. Thankfully we live in the USA where we are not part of a Putin type pogom on humans who are not straight. In America, over 50% of Catholics support civil marriage for all. I fully understand that statistics have no meaning when discussing dogma, but, especially in one of the most progressive cities in the entire world, the performers seem too be well chosen. Über conservative Catholics are going to be unhappy with Pope Francis no matter what he does because he is trying to show compassion and understand those in lifestyles other than the Catholic norm. This world is not black and white, thank goodness. We need the slight shades of grey and the wonderful pop of colors in our lives which obviously means that differences are what makes this world fascinating.

The choice of shlocky pop music has nothing to do with the Pope’s show of “compassion to those in alternative lifestyles.” Besides, you do realize that the Pope is vigorously opposed to same-sex marriage, as any good Catholic should be, right?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Mary Gail,
What is it with Harry? He bores me to tears. We all have our taste, but I don’t get it. Michael Buble is the same story. I actually think he sings better than Harry. Am I wrong?
The new crooners. I don’t think so.

God bless

Buble is indeed perhaps the only “new crooner” at all. HCJR is talented for sure but not up there in either natural voice or sheer work.
I’d put Buble up against the best. But that is just my opinion.

But Gloria Estefan? Really!? That is our attempt to honor the Pope’s Latino Heritage? Could we be more stereotypically annoying!?

I find it more than a little ironic that Hudson gained fame on a show called American Idol…
Now, I am not saying she is a golden cow… but man…

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

This is the MSG I think Jay Z and Spike Lee are the appropriate choices.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Actually that was not my point at all.

But as an aside. you and I must have different ideas of reverence…

Be that as it may, I am just playing at this anyway. Just funnin…

But I will say one of the worst Masses for reverence came under BXVI WYD Australia… Wow…

Can’t help but wonder though. With so many Catholics, where are the great artists and musicians that Glorify God?

Mary Gail,

Have you viewed the HCJR episodes of Will and Grace? I used to watch that show “religiously” in my younger (and less Holy) life…

I stopped watching most TV sitcoms when I had kids. So about 14 years. Then I started watching The Wiggles, Thomas the Tank, Elmo’s World etc.

I did see the Wiggles in concert though…Anthony Wiggle is supposedly a devout Catholic revert, he is devoted to Our Lady of Guadalupe.

 

[CaptFun]

I’d rather have Buble…

Buble Singing Ol Blue Eye’s mafia hits.
Toby Keith Singing Courtesy of the Red White and Blue.
Lady Gaga Singing “Born This Way”.
Madona Singing Ave Maria (of course)
Nikki Menage (as Roman)
NWA (any song about race or the Police)
Sublime (Santaria)
Snoop and Dre Wait, scratch that East Coast is where the Pope is so, Jay Z “empire State of Mind” Complete with Crucifixion scene.
Ricky Martin “Livin La Vida Loca”

And of course just for my boy band fix. NSYNC with JT ANY SONG.

I can enjoy absurdity at times. It can make a point in ways that go around the filters folks have against expected frontal assaults.

But as they say … sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

lifesitenews.com/news/for-popes-visit-obama-invites-a-pro-abort-nun-gay-episcopal-bishop-and-lgbt

A mass with the above songs for a liturgy could not be more ridiculous than this “greeting” planned for Pope Francis. I can’t believe it is coincidental … but a message of sorts.

On the other hand … what a fertile mission field. Catholic leaders are supposed to always try to save souls … sometimes privately, not for the public eye – but for the ones being invited (or invited back) to Christ. Through the alchemy of propaganda, photo ops can be made to look like “such and such is acceptable” (now) for example … co-opting celebrities into seeming to endorse things that they don’t.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I stopped watching most TV sitcoms when I had kids. So about 14 years. Then I started watching The Wiggles, Thomas the Tank, Elmo’s World etc.

I did see the Wiggles in concert though…Anthony Wiggle is supposedly a devout Catholic revert, he is devoted to Our Lady of Guadalupe.

I hear you with five kids. Maybe they should have Dora up there…

Though Will and Grace was immensely popular before you stopped watching TV.

here is a recap of HCJR role on that show
harryconnickjr.com/television/will-grace

What it does not show is the sheer shocking “one liners” about some pretty non CAF friendly subjects…

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I can enjoy absurdity at times. It can make a point in ways that go around the filters folks have against expected frontal assaults.

But as they say … sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

lifesitenews.com/news/for-popes-visit-obama-invites-a-pro-abort-nun-gay-episcopal-bishop-and-lgbt

A mass with the above songs for a liturgy could not be more ridiculous than this “greeting” planned for Pope Francis. I can’t believe it is coincidental … but a message of sorts.

On the other hand … what a fertile mission field. Catholic leaders are supposed to always try to save souls … sometimes privately, not for the public eye – but for the ones being invited (or invited back) to Christ. Through the alchemy of propaganda, photo ops can be made to look like “such and such is acceptable” (now) for example … co-opting celebrities into seeming to endorse things that they don’t.

Obama’s attempt to teach the Pope…

What did you expect?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I hear you with five kids. Maybe they should have Dora up there…

Though Will and Grace was immensely popular before you stopped watching TV.

here is a recap of HCJR role on that show
harryconnickjr.com/television/will-grace

What it does not show is the sheer shocking “one liners” about some pretty non CAF friendly subjects…

I did used to watch Will and Grace, but never did see the Harry Connick episodes.

Mark Wahlberg’s Catholic, but I think he gave up singing…

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I did used to watch Will and Grace, but never did see the Harry Connick episodes.

Mark Wahlberg’s Catholic, but I think he gave up singing…

Wahlberg… Oh man! That would be great! And a hamburger to boot! ( He is part owner in Wahlburgers)
Can’t get more east coast or American than that!

Looks though like we have also used a time warp back to the 80s and 90s.

Perhaps this is a reflection of just how bad our country and media and culture have gotten in such a short time…

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Buble is indeed perhaps the only “new crooner” at all. HCJR is talented for sure but not up there in either natural voice or sheer work.
I’d put Buble up against the best. But that is just my opinion.

But Gloria Estefan? Really!? That is our attempt to honor the Pope’s Latino Heritage? Could we be more stereotypically annoying!?

I find it more than a little ironic that Hudson gained fame on a show called American Idol…
Now, I am not saying she is a golden cow… but man…

Thought I would also add HCJR was a Judge on Idol…

What was that about making idols? Naw, that is as outdated as strait marriages!

 

[phil19034]

I can enjoy absurdity at times. It can make a point in ways that go around the filters folks have against expected frontal assaults.

But as they say … sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

lifesitenews.com/news/for-popes-visit-obama-invites-a-pro-abort-nun-gay-episcopal-bishop-and-lgbt

A mass with the above songs for a liturgy could not be more ridiculous than this “greeting” planned for Pope Francis. I can’t believe it is coincidental … but a message of sorts.

On the other hand … what a fertile mission field. Catholic leaders are supposed to always try to save souls … sometimes privately, not for the public eye – but for the ones being invited (or invited back) to Christ. Through the alchemy of propaganda, photo ops can be made to look like “such and such is acceptable” (now) for example … co-opting celebrities into seeming to endorse things that they don’t.

I cannot believe how low Obama has stuped. Evil, simply evil.

 

[CaptFun]

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=26122

Pop concert in Madison Square Garden before the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I am sick to my stomach and in tears as I type this. The concert is supposed to be reverent - yeah I can believe that there will be silence and prayer.

. Surely the organisers could have thought of a better preparation for the “Source and summit of our Faith.”

What are the organisers thinking of? What are those in Rome who approved this debacle thinking of?

What was Cardinal Dolan thinking of to give his permission for this insult to the Real Presence?Huge public Masses are never reverent. At the very least, Holy Communion shouldn’t be distributed. If It is I can envision consecrated Hosts turning up for sale.

Thanks for calling our attention to Holy Communion and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

I’m not sure I go as far as saying “never reverent” … but I can see where it would be harder to achieve that tone outdoors with so many … and so many possible distractions.

Before the mass at Madison Square Garden (indoors) there is to be a procession through Central Park. I’m glad mass isn’t being said outdoors in Central Park. Probably due to one of my least favorite scenes in all movie history.

The scene was from the movie “Hair” in the late '60s … and while it disturbed me and I considered it “anti-Catholic” for what I saw for a time was “mocking the Eucharist” – I must admit, with the eyes I have 45 years later, that people HAVE sometimes replaced God in their lives with “other gods” :sad_yes: as shown in the film. Partying, religion of one’s own devising … and even LSD (in place of the Eucharist … as in the clip).

youtube.com/watch?v=SMoSf8_TyZc

Cultural note: When the movie was made in the late '60s, Catholics still knelt to receive communion.

youtube.com/watch?v=ilE3ZNmTpcU < 1,000,000 Irish attend outdoor mass with Pope John Paul II.

While there probably were some logistical problems and distractions etc. This awesome sight reminded me of the scenes at the end of time when Jesus will “gather the nations before him …”. I think being in a crowd of 1,000,000 people might give a person strength of convictions too … so there are times when big crowds can IMO be good and a witness.

While Jesus distributed communion to just the twelve … and not the thousands He had at other gatherings … He was at times in the midst of crowds and ministered to them.

 

[frangiuliano115]

Which concert are you talking about?

The Innocence and Experience Tour.

Turin, Italy
September 4, 2015 (and also the 5th, but we weren’t there)

It was just too perfect and beautiful. I don’t see how this could ever be superceeded.

The Message is a bible written in the vernacular. Very interesting.

God bless

 

[zz912]

I cannot speak for Mr. Sheen, but if I had to guess, I think he sees it as a social justice issue. It seems like he has always gone out of his way to stand up for those he sees as oppressed. Sheen wasn’t a farm worker, but he thought they were being treated unfairly so he marched with them and Cesar Chavez during the UFW strike. He is not gay, but he is apparently sympathetic to the bigotry and even violence that has often been used against them, and has no qualms about portraying a gay man.

Or maybe he is just a liberal…

I think there’s a difference in portraying a homosexual man, and glorifying or condoning homosexual acts. I read an article yesterday about the actor who is portraying the killer Brian Nichols in a movie. He said he had to make sure in his portrayal that he was not glorifying the killer or excusing his actions.

Standing up for those you think are being oppressed is fine, but one must be careful not to condone or glorify actions that the Church has condemned. I would love to hear someone ask him about this most recent role and his faith and how he reconciles it.

I forgot about that part of the movie. Maybe it was meant to symbolize his letting go of a past that was keeping him from moving forward, and not trying to teach anything about approved Catholic burial practices.

It probably was. Like I mentioned, I know it is a nitpick, but with how woefully informed most Catholics are of the faith, I did notice it and wish they had changed that portion. Maybe with him leaving a small memento that belonged to his son instead of the ashes. But I admit it was a nitpick.

 

[ARSpade]

Congratulations once again, Lifesite News, for getting your facts wrong.
Sister Simone is not a “pro abortion” nun; she has consistently said that she is pro-life.
I hope she sues this publication for libel.

.

TWS: On the legal question, do you think there should be penalties against abortion doctors? I mean, should it be illegal to perform abortions?

CAMPBELL: That’s beyond my pay grade. I don’t know.

One would think wanting murder to be illegal would be a pretty easy question.

ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-838455

Sister Simone Campbell says she feels comfortable with President Obama’s approach on the issue, citing the fact that he has worked to ensure that there’s no federal funding for abortion in his health care law — which two federal courts have affirmed. Though she may disagree with a woman’s choice to have an abortion, Campbell also adds that Obama has made sure that women can make their own decision on the matter.

I know plenty of pro-choice people who don’t like abortions but think women should make their own decision in the matter. That’s what being pro-choice is.

 

[dave36251]

Maybe Harry will perform Ave Maria. I love this rendition he did years ago: youtube.com/watch?v=mNaprnCxCDw

 

[phil19034]

Seriously? People wishing to perform and pay respect to the Pope is cause for squabble? To me it seems some would rather have a monk choir sing and only them. I see nothing wrong with having pop stars sing. I believe I heard Aretha Franklin is also set to perform.

Aretha Franklin is performing in Philadelphia at the Festival of Families on Saturday. Not before Mass in NYC.

 

[phil19034]

What an interesting post Colorado007. Italians do that,crossing themselves when passing in front of a church. I always thought it was rather silly and too religious. And anyway, the Santissimo isn’t even in sight.

But see, God could use anything to bring you to Him. Anything done in good FAITH is beautiful in God’s eyes.

Thanks for the post.

Fran

I always either cross myself or at least nod my head when I pass a Catholic Church, and I live in the United States.

But I also nod my head at the mention of the name of Jesus, the Holy Trinity, the Blessed Mother, and the saint of the day.

I also nod my head towards Father has he walks by during the processional.

After attending a few Solemn High Masses in the Extraordinary Form, you realize how many ritualistic practices lay Catholics have lost in the United States.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

So will Hozier perform? And if so will many teen mass music groups think “take me to Church” is appropriate for Mass?

Or how about Macklemore’s Same Love?