Pope’s climate views press Catholic candidates

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LeafByNiggle said:
How do you know what the “trend” would be without CO2 having been raised?
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Based on historical records. Temperatures were much colder in the 1700s and have been rising every since. They were much warmer around 1000-1200 AD. We see the trend of falling temperatures from 1200-1700(roughly) then rising again. We are currently in a rising trend that has nothing to do with human activity. If there is a human component it is insignificantl

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LeafByNiggle said:
Voting for an ideal candidate is an expression of what you would like to happen, even if you don’t have the power personally to bring that about. Praying the rosary is also an expression of desires we do not have the power to fulfill on our own. I would not say that praying the rosary is a meaningless gesture. So why is voting for the ideal candidate a meaningless gesture?
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Pray the rosary for an end to abortion. Then vote for the most viable pro-life candidate. Prayer + action. That is what we ought to be doing.

Ishii
 
The encyclical condemns use of coal in particular. I do not envy Sen Joe Manchin, a Democrat and a Catholic, who is going to have to somehow explain how his Church is at odds with the livelihoods of his West Virginia constituents, and which one he is going to serve.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Based on historical records. Temperatures were much colder in the 1700s and have been rising every since. They were much warmer around 1000-1200 AD. We see the trend of falling temperatures from 1200-1700(roughly) then rising again. We are currently in a rising trend that has nothing to do with human activity. If there is a human component it is insignificantl
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How do you know that trend would continue as it has? Trends do not go on forever.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Do you also think that voting for the ideal candidate is a meaningless gesture?
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It is if that person can in no way be elected.

In the USA, third-party protest votes usually just help the “progressive” candidate to win.

Look what happened mostly with the Tea Party.

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LeafByNiggle said:
How do you know what the “trend” would be without CO2 having been raised?
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When did we go from “You should believe AGW because it has been proven right” to “You should believe AGW because it can’t be proven wrong”?

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estesbob said:
In 99% of all races the Democrat or Republican nominee . Voting for a non-viable candidate is not a violation of church teaching at all. If, however, one proclaims to be pro-life it is a meaningless gesture that does nothing to advance a cause and actually helps empower those who would keep abortion legal.
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But of course, in some states either the democratic candidate or the republican candidate is not viable. For example, will a democrat ever really win Utah?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Voting for an ideal candidate is an expression of what you would like to happen, even if you don’t have the power personally to bring that about. Praying the rosary is also an expression of desires we do not have the power to fulfill on our own. I would not say that praying the rosary is a meaningless gesture. So why is voting for the ideal candidate a meaningless gesture?
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Because your vote could have helped lessen the terrible evil of abortion
 
Such a media fabricated story, what do democrats get a pass in the medias eyes because they have always ignored the tenants of their faith on much more important things?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
We went to that when CHESTERTONRULES attempted to prove it wrong.
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I proved it invalid.

The predictions by global warming advocates were empirically wrong.

The current temperatures are in line with the cycle that already existed.
 
outremer said:
Political conservatives (or libertarians who identify as conservatives) traditionally embrace a notion called “living within your means.” I don’t understand why this notion only seems to apply to taxation and spending. It’s a solid notion that should apply to our use of the planet’s resources as well.

It seems our society is hyperventilating and spiraling out of control. We need to slow down.

I hope Santorum wins the GOP nod, as I truly believe he is a genuine man of faith who actually lives out his faith. Pro-environment is pro-life, and Santorum could well unite those two messages in unison with Pope Francis.
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I respect the sentiment in your last point. But make no mistake - being “pro-environment” is just a code word for supporting statist policies which further erode freedoms and rights all around, and empower faceless bureaucrats to make decisions which go far beyond the environment. “environmentalism” = leftist / statism. Genuine environmentalism / conservation could be a great combination with a pro-life message, but as it now stands, the “environmentalists” are just a bunch of socialists using the movement to impose their ideology on our country.

Ishii
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Do you also think that voting for the ideal candidate is a meaningless gesture?
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If by “ideal candidate” you mean Virgil Goode or some other 3rd party “true believer” candidate with absolutely NO chance to stop the infanticide policies of Barack Obama / Democrats then YES it is meaningless as a pro-life strategy.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
If by “ideal candidate” you mean Virgil Goode or some other 3rd party “true believer” candidate with absolutely NO chance to stop the infanticide policies of Barack Obama / Democrats then YES it is meaningless as a pro-life strategy.

Ishii
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Then, staying with the consequentialism theme, why isn’t praying the rosary a meaningless gesture? It does not add a single vote to the Romney column, nor take away a single vote from the Obama column. And the time you spend praying the rosary you could have spent out there campaigning for Romney.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Then, staying with the consequentialism theme, why isn’t praying the rosary a meaningless gesture? It does not add a single vote to the Romney column, nor take away a single vote from the Obama column. And the time you spend praying the rosary you could have spent out there campaigning for Romney.
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Do you, upon reflection, really mean this? God and His Blessed Mother are far more capable of affecting outcomes than Virgil Goode or Romney, either one.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Speaking as a true Catholic, I hasten to confirm that that is not correct. I am fearful that the same irresponsible stereotyping and unjust attacks are just getting started on the other side - the side of the true social justice GW accepting Catholics I mean.
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What is a “true social justice GW accepting Catholic”? Seriously, I have no clue and am curious to learn.
 
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