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People believe that the Pontiff will have a negative message to the US congress concerning business. I guess he has been quoted as saying the wealth of some are increasing “exponentially”. Who is he talking about? I don’t know of any wealthy persons whose wealth is increasing like that. Going long and short in derivatives or futures isn’t going to cause that kind of wealth growth. Who are they? They would I would think have a duty to help take care of the poor. Carnegie was very helpful to the community. There are many philanthropists out there.

Now keeping and putting people of the streets is something the government does. And trying to keep them from work like criminals with a minimal threat sometimes are discriminated against. There’s much to correct. I’m not sure of the problem with wealthy people though.
 
Francis is a member of the Society of Jesus, and there always has been a strong tradition of social activism in Jesuit circles.

Pope Francis has famously described the unrestrained pursuit of profit as “the dung of the devil’;” “a new tyranny” He also noted that, money must serve, not rule.

When he arrives in the United States this week, there’s no doubt that we’ll hear more criticism of market economics and economies. But where’s Pope Francis coming from when he speaks so strongly against capitalism?

fortune.com/2015/09/20/pope-francis-income-inequality/
 
As the article says, there is little that Pope Francis has said that has not already been said by previous popes. It is amusing to watch some of the right wing talking heads exposing their ignorance.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
As the article says, there is little that Pope Francis has said that has not already been said by previous popes. It is amusing to watch some of the right wing talking heads exposing their ignorance.
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The same can be said of the leftist media,who continue to misconstrue thevPope’s statements re marriage,homosexuality,abortion,etc…:cool:
 
gilliam said:
Francis is a member of the Society of Jesus, and there always has been a strong tradition of social activism in Jesuit circles.

Pope Francis has famously described the unrestrained pursuit of profit as “the dung of the devil’;” “a new tyranny” He also noted that, money must serve, not rule.

When he arrives in the United States this week, there’s no doubt that we’ll hear more criticism of market economics and economies. But where’s Pope Francis coming from when he speaks so strongly against capitalism?

fortune.com/2015/09/20/pope-francis-income-inequality/
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I thought the article was very fair. Maybe a little challenging to hear. I like that the author of the article called Pope Francis’ views conventional Christian themes and that he is just being Catholic.

Here in America we don’t see the poverty being experienced by those in other poorer countries, so maybe we need someone to remind us that poverty does exist and as the article says we here in America are very privileged

Just the same as when Mother Teresa came to America. We would probably think she would come and say, why what a beautiful country, with such beautiful towns and homes and nicely mowed lawns but she saw America as a very poor country. Mother Teresa thought America was the poorest country she had visited.
 
mary_bobo said:
Indeed. By what authority does he pontificate on US policy? Does he seek socialism for this country?
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I think what’s happening in the wealthy West is an example of the boiling frog anecdote. Stepping away and looking objectively at a system that tolerates hideous wealth accumulation, absolutely unjustifiable CEO wages and indifference to rights of smaller traders as regards the unethical dominance and monopolisation goals of multi billion dollar companies… one can easily see that the system is no longer underpinned by really human ideology. It’s just law of the jungle. The strong dominate.

Jesus said, render to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. In the US especially, there is a problem with rendering to Caesar what rightly applies because of this strange belief that government is fundamentally evil.
 
mary_bobo said:
Indeed. By what authority does he pontificate on US policy? Does he seek socialism for this country?
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How can anyone think he seeks socialism, since he is really no different than any of our previous popes.
 
LongingSoul said:
I think what’s happening in the wealthy West is an example of the boiling frog anecdote. Stepping away and looking objectively at a system that tolerates hideous wealth accumulation, absolutely unjustifiable CEO wages and indifference to rights of smaller traders as regards the unethical dominance and monopolisation goals of multi billion dollar companies… one can easily see that the system is no longer underpinned by really human ideology. It’s just law of the jungle. The strong dominate.

Jesus said, render to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. In the US especially, there is a problem with rendering to Caesar what rightly applies because of this strange belief that government is fundamentally evil.
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Not one single phrase in this whole post is objective. There are very few ceo’s that can not justify their pay rate. As to there being too many large companies that monopolize and industry, well there isnt any.
 
Magdalena59 said:
I thought the article was very fair. Maybe a little challenging to hear. I like that the author of the article called Pope Francis’ views conventional Christian themes and that he is just being Catholic.

Here in America we don’t see the poverty being experienced by those in other poorer countries, so maybe we need someone to remind us that poverty does exist and as the article says we here in America are very privileged

Just the same as when Mother Teresa came to America. We would probably think she would come and say, why what a beautiful country, with such beautiful towns and homes and nicely mowed lawns but she saw America as a very poor country. Mother Teresa thought America was the poorest country she had visited.
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You want to know what caue poverty, liberal government.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
As the article says, there is little that Pope Francis has said that has not already been said by previous popes. It is amusing to watch some of the right wing talking heads exposing their ignorance.
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Other than Rush Limbaugh calling him a Marxist, there’s??? :confused::confused:

And don’t forget about the left-wing media just crossing their fingers hoping he’d endorse contraception, abortion and so-called gay “marriage”.
 
mary_bobo said:
Indeed. By what authority does he pontificate on US policy? Does he seek socialism for this country?
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I very much doubt it, since the Catechism has a very dim view of socialism and really all forms of central planning.

The Pope saying not to pursue profit at any and all costs isn’t a political statement on anti-free markets, it’s a rebuke of greed.

I understand the concern, but also remember the Pope comes from a Latin American country, and in Latin America, corruption is much thicker than in North America.

I will also state very clearly that to deny the force of free markets is to directly deny natural law and human incentive.
 
In what nation is there not income inequality? Perhaps in some nation where everyone is equally poor?
 
JimG said:
In what nation is there not income inequality? Perhaps in some nation where everyone is equally poor?
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While every nation has income inequality, as Catholics we are called to have a preferential option for the poor, which by definition is concerned with reducing income inequality.
 
gilliam said:
Pope Francis has famously described the unrestrained pursuit of profit as “the dung of the devil’;” “a new tyranny” He also noted that, money must serve, not rule. … But where’s Pope Francis coming from when he speaks so strongly against capitalism?
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Neither of the quotes they gave were about capitalism, so they are saying the pope said something that he actually didn’t say.

The unrestrained pursuit of wealth is not capitalism, it is greed. Capitalism, at least using Merriam-Webster’s definition, is “an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.”

Pope Francis did not say anything against that.
 
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