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Really??? Thank God for the Spanish Inquisition it keep heresy from destroying the Faith in Spain.
Pope asks mercy, pardon for ways Christians have harmed one another
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JimR-OCDS
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And if you believe the Spanish Inquisition didn’t cause great harm to Christianity and the Church. think again, we’re still paying for it.
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Sword_Brethren
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The different Inquisitions did no harm to Christianity. Heresy is the one that has done great harm to Christianity.
Peace be with you
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JimR-OCDS
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The inquisitions like the Spanish Inquisition did great harm to Christianity.
The main point of the Spanish Inquisition was to weed out Jews and Muslims, not put down heresy.
For centuries, it has been a road block for many people thinking about Catholicism, regardless of what they were taught about it.
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Ah, CAF. Only here can one find spirited defense of the inquisitions.
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Sorry it I gave that impression, I know YOU are not, but others are. My intent was to agree with you and also point out that it is unusual to find a place where people openly applaud and defend the inquisitions.If you’re referring to my post, I was not defending the Spanish Inquisition
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“The Inquisition was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam.” “Those who converted” meaning Catholics.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
“Protestantism had hardly made its impact on Spanish life during the revolt of the 16th century, owing to the diligence of the Spanish government and the Spanish Inquisition”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Spain
Peace be with you
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JimR-OCDS
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Until you can admit that the Catholic Church had its dark periods, but instead continue to defend those dark era’s, you’ll be a rigid Catholic, but fail to grow toward union with Jesus Christ.
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The Inquisitions, were Ecclesiastical Courts, held by the Church in various times to defend the Church against heresy.
And this was the original intent of the Spanish Inquisition, and in many was was successful, as Jews and Muslims had fraudulent Baptisms for the sake of economic an social status, and of course to keep from being kicked out of the country.
However, there are those in the Church as well as the monarchy, who saw the Inquisition as a means to rid the nation from Muslims and Jews and they used it for such.
So, there were abuses, no doubt about it.
However, its also known today that the Ecclesiastical Court was a better deal for the accused, than the state run courts. So, many accused murders and thieves, sought to have their cases heard before the Inquisition, where they would have a better chance for acquittal. Those who were not successful and found guilty by in the Ecclesiastical Court, were handed back to the state for punishment for their crimes. The Church never executed people, they didn’t have the authority, only the state could do that. Big deal, same was true for Jesus, who had to be put to death by the Romans.
However, this is not what the Inquisition was for, and because power corrupts, so too did the prosecutors for the Ecclesiastical Court. Torture was allowed, and some apologists today say it was no worse than police interrogations in the 1930’s USA. I question the accuracy on this, for just as cops do, when abuse is being committed, its not documented.
In my 64 years as a Catholic, I have found that accepting that the Church indeed had its dark and corrupt times, is far greater for spiritual growth, than trying to defend those times and turning a blind eye toward the historical facts.
Its why Pope’s John Paul II through Pope Francis have apologized for the harms Catholics did in history.
We can not grow, unless we humbly accept what is true, and not try to spin it for our own ego driven agenda.
A wise old priest once told me, that Jesus must be the center of our lives.
Without Christ as our center, we risk falling into rigidity and fundamentalism, which Pope Frances has spoken out against.
Jim
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ringil
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Ugh. . … there’s a post. . . .
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Unusual on any site. The Church has admitted wrong and apologized. To continue to defend torture and murder is unconscionable.:
I will defend the Holy Inquisitions and the Holy Crusades all day long. Unusual on a Catholic site??? To defend that what was sanctioned my the Holy Catholic Church and Popes.
Peace be with you,
Pope Gregory IX, pray for us
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I am saying that the inquisitions and crusades both utilized torture and murder. Given the statements of several Popes and other Catholic officials, I feel like I am on pretty strong ground here.
Are you saying that torture and murder are OK if someone high enough in the Church hierarchy orders it?
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JimR-OCDS
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Pope Urban II called the first Crusade, which as in any war, has evil.
As Pope John Paul II warned President Bush when he went into Iraq, “leaders who bring their nations to war, will have to answer to God for the evils it brings.”
The Crusades had evil acts committed in them and they were hardly holy.
Also, Pope Urban II granting a plenary indulgence to bypass purgatory for those Christians who volunteered to fight in the Crusade, was nothing Jesus would have advocated.
Pope’s don’t lose their free will upon their election to the papacy.
They can and have committed evil at times.
Read about Pope Alexander VI sometime if you don’t believe me.
Jim
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