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Shiann
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Thanks for the kind comments.
Back to our regularly scheduled thread…
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Back to our regularly scheduled thread…
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ElizabethAnne
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I would disagree with you about Cinderella. I think there are a number of “troubling elements” to the story. It’s about a young girl who when she gets dressed up and looks pretty, a man sees her, falls in love with her and they live happily ever after. The man loves her because of her beauty and rescues her from a terrible living situation.
Girls need to understand they’re beautiful for reasons other than physical characteristics. And in order to seek and build positive dating relationships, they need to understand what love, not puppy love, is.
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bigdawg
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Well, I am not going to retract the statement. Also, who are you to demand anything of me?
The US bishops (certainly not all of them and hopefully not the majority of them) have failed miserably in leading the church. I am not going to look to them, at least not right now, for moral guidance, as they seem to be a confused group of individuals. As you look at our parishes in America, you will see the effect of their poor leadership. From liturgical abuses to unorthodox priests to lack of catechesis, I say the majority of these problems can be laid squarely at the feet of our bishops and their lack of leadership.
I am sure everyone here is quite familiar with the sex abuse scandal and the damage it has done to the Church not to mention what it has done to the victims and their families. Is there anything the bishops could have done to prevent the scandalous behavior? Is it possible that the number of abuses would be greatly diminished if this body of men had simply done their job? Is it possible that most of the problems that our Church in America faces outside of the sex scandal would disappear, or at least be greatly diminished, if this body of men would simply do their job? I think the answer to these question is a resounding “YES”…if only these men would have done or would simply do their job.
Concerning the abuse scandal, I can’t find the article right now so I can’t provide a source, but recently some (no I don’t have the exact number) of the bishops expressed their opinion that the “zero tolerance” policy currently being implemented should be modified to let a priest who has “truly been rehabilitated” return to the ministry. I wonder how they will determine who is and who isn’t “truly rehabilitated” and it seem to me that certain bishops in the past, tried the therapy route and look at the results we got? We presently have bishops who want to return these perverted priests back to the parishes, sad isn’t it?
It doesn’t seem to me that it takes much foresight or common sense to realize that if a priest abuses a minor, even once, he should be removed from the ministry forever. This seems to have escaped quite a few of our bishops in the past and seems to be illogical to several of our present bishops. Furthermore, the studies on the abuse scandal, which you can find at the USCCB web site, state that part of the problem was the bishops themselves.
For more on the lack of leadership from the USCCB, I offer Bishop Skylstad. Bishop Skylstad, current president of the USCCB, has stated that John Kerry and other pro-abortion politicians should not be denied communion. If that wasn’t bad enough, Skylstad also was involved in the shuffling around of at least one pervert priest, Fr. O’Donnel. In Skylstad’s defense (sarcasm), he does say that O’Donnell was given the treatment considered appropriate at the time - therapy, and that he (Skylstad) would handle the situation much differently now. This is from the president of the USCCB.
No wonder I don’t look for leadership from this particular group of men, they simply haven’t provided any for quite some time and past performance is a pretty good indicator of future performance.
I guess I am way off topic here and apologize for that.
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Shiann
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The original comment was extreme- without an explaination to define it.
I merely asked for an explanation. No different than “Cite your source”.
Thank you for your explanation which now can be viewed in the HP context.
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marvin
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I think Shiann has every right to demand an answer from someone who is WAY off topic and inflammatory. Do you feel better now that you got that off your chest? You got your attention for today? You’ve comdemned all of our Bishops in a forum about Harry Potter and given more ammo to all the anti-Catholics who troll this sight just looking for a post like this. If you have a problem, why don’t you give it a little more thought so that you can express it rationally and it can be discussed openly and fairly.
The way in which you presented this was confrontational. Don’t be surprised when you are confronted.
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bigdawg
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1.) Yes I do feel better.
2.) I didn’t give the anti-Catholics any ammo at all. Do you think this was a secret and that I let the cat out of the bag.
3.) Re-read the post, I didn’t blame all the bishops.
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bones_IV
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3.) Re-read the post, I didn’t blame all the bishops.
Take that back! You said “the same guys who brought us the sex abuse scandal.” Contradictory, don’t you think? That post was off the topic and the explanation therefore is not valid. Think before you speak.
Take that back! You said “the same guys who brought us the sex abuse scandal.” Contradictory, don’t you think? That post was off the topic and the explanation therefore is not valid. Think before you speak.
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marvin
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2.) I didn’t give the anti-Catholics any ammo at all. Do you think this was a secret and that I let the cat out of the bag. (quote)
Of course its not secret. Its all the anti-Catholic crowd can talk about.
If you are a Catholic and you bring this topic up with this much vitriol you certainly give anti-Catholics ammo as they can gleefully point out how even Catholics don’t trust their own bishops.
Again, if this bugs you so much, and you are a Catholic, why don’t you stop, think and address it rationally before you start throwing stones. This is a very emotional and complex issue and this is the WRONG place to discuss it.
The Church took a serious knock with all this stuff. Why don’t you do something positive for Her instead of taking cheap shots at the bishops.
Of course its not secret. Its all the anti-Catholic crowd can talk about.
If you are a Catholic and you bring this topic up with this much vitriol you certainly give anti-Catholics ammo as they can gleefully point out how even Catholics don’t trust their own bishops.
Again, if this bugs you so much, and you are a Catholic, why don’t you stop, think and address it rationally before you start throwing stones. This is a very emotional and complex issue and this is the WRONG place to discuss it.
The Church took a serious knock with all this stuff. Why don’t you do something positive for Her instead of taking cheap shots at the bishops.
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sanpablo
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So, in other words, we should shield kids from everything that could influence them in a bad way. Tolkien-oh no! that has violence, and it might make them want to fight people with swords. C.S. Lewis-it has magic in it, and also violence, that might make kids want to shoot people with arrows like Susan! Alice in Wonderland- well, thats out the window too, I guess, because it might make kids want to do drugs.
Point is, I think the pope was severly misinformed about Harry Potter and also was given a very untrue, biased acoount of what goes on in the books.
Point is, I think the pope was severly misinformed about Harry Potter and also was given a very untrue, biased acoount of what goes on in the books.
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E.E.N.S
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I would have to say that you are not as in tune, as the Pope is, to the spiritual warfare that the world is in (now more so than ever).
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sanpablo
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E.E.N.S.:
Harry Potter has nothing to do with terrorism, abortion, euthanasia, or war, or dissent from the Church. I don’t know of one person who reads Harry Potter who has become less of a Christian becasue of it, nor do I know anyone, nor have I even heard of anyone, who has become mixed up with satanic rituals. Harry Potter doesn’t support satanic rituals, and it doesn’t say anything about summoning demons in the books.
Thank you for letting me know that. As you have no clue to my background.
Harry Potter has nothing to do with terrorism, abortion, euthanasia, or war, or dissent from the Church. I don’t know of one person who reads Harry Potter who has become less of a Christian becasue of it, nor do I know anyone, nor have I even heard of anyone, who has become mixed up with satanic rituals. Harry Potter doesn’t support satanic rituals, and it doesn’t say anything about summoning demons in the books.
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Nan_S
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[sigh] Here we go again.
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Young person with attitude ^ ^ ^ vs. ^ ^ ^ Catholic Catechism and Bible
Anyone care to wager on the winner?
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Thepeug
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IMO, the opposition to Harry Potter is reactionary and ridiculous. They’re entertaining novels. Nothing else.
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john_ennis
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Again, it’s not unreasonable to see these books as teaching children to value a power that is not God-centered.
Peace.
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Karin
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Hmm…how do you expalin all the kiddies in Catholic homes that open their gifts, play and horse around on Christmas school break and oh my…even on Christmas Day.?
So I guess what everyone is saying is that “book burning”, banning etc. should be put in place again??
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Karin
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john ennis:
Most people kids included read these books for entertainment…I would love to know how many people after reading these books denounced the Catholic Church and turned to witch craft, sorcery or satanism???
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Yonnie
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I agree.
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Hildebrand
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Oh please.
Nobody is saying a book burning/banning should be in place again.
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Karin
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Oh then I misunderstood what the person was trying to say…my apologies!Oh please.
Nobody is saying a book burning/banning should be in place again.
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Hildebrand
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Most people kids included read these books for entertainment…I would love to know how many people after reading these books denounced the Catholic Church and turned to witch craft, sorcery or satanism???
That is not it. Reading certain books and watching certain movies can warp your reality and be an obstacle in your relationship with God.
Look at the “Star Wars geeks”. They spend much of their time watching, talking about, obsessing over, etc the “Star Wars Saga”. I don’t mind Star Wars for myself (I saw Ep III last month and thought it was awful
) because it will not shake my faith and I understand its development. Star Wars does have Oriental spirituality elements which are at strong odds with Christianity.It is knowing your child, not allowing your child to be raised by society but by you. If all you do is give your kids Harry Potter, Star Wars, the Hulk, Brittany Spears, Christina Aguilera and all the other pop culture books and “artists” and Hollywood films, you are doing you your child a grave disservice.
Harry Potter books *may *harm a child’s spiritual development and relationship with God. By making the child less interested in God and more interested in the attractive story involving kids, wizards, flying brooms, monsters, villains, insects, exotic animals, mystery, and so on.
If your child is not interested in religion and loves Brittany Spears, wearing skimpy clothing, playing with bratz dolls, etc then maybe Harry Potter books could be a help to your kid (I am only hypothesizing) because it introduces your child into a mythical story that can draw your child away from the over sexualized reality your child is in. Then you can explain Catholicism in relation to the Harry Potter Books - a life and death struggle between good and evil, angels, demons, saints, virtue, sacraments… If a parent were going to introduce children to a fantasy book, I would choose Lord of the Rings (not the movies, the books). The Lord of the Rings books are highly pro-Catholic and are easy to related to our faith. The Lord of the Rings Books are IMHO appropriate for children who are practicing Catholics.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/arts/al0160.html
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