Pope Benedict XVI 'to resign'

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7_Sorrows said:
i thought the timing was strange also unless there was some unforeseen urgency.
however, i did read that they believe the conclave will now be able to begin earlier than planned and possibly shortle after Pope Benedict’s last day as Pope. so we should have a new Pope before the end of Lent.
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I think part of the reason Pope Benedict chose to step down when he did is precisely because there was no urgency. He was adamant that a Pope should not step down in times of turmoil else it become simply a matter of trying to shirk off the responsibility onto someone else so he doesn’t have to deal with it anymore.

I am interested to see if they move up the date. It seems like the more time goes by without such an announcement, the less likely it is. But perhaps communication is going on behind the scenes. There’s no sense in them having a public conversation about it, I suppose. Best just to let us know when they have it figured out. 🙂
 
If this has beeen asked and and answered before please forgive me.
How the interim handled if this shoud take a while?
Or have there been on-going talks as preparation for a while?

thanks
 
cheezey said:
If this has beeen asked and and answered before please forgive me.
How the interim handled if this shoud take a while?
Or have there been on-going talks as preparation for a while?

thanks
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This is all outlined in John Paul II’s Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis. In particular, Chapter 1 outlines the powers the College of Cardinals has (and does not have) in the period of vacancy.
 
Thank you, Joe!!

(I hate my typos; hate not having a mouse with a tail, too…)
 
Does anyone know if there are translated transcripts of the Lombardi Press Conferences that come up quickly? I really wanna hear what he has to say and I don’t like depending on the American media.
 
I haven’t had time to follow this long thread. The word “resign” is in quotes, and I know that some have questioned whether it’s the right word, on the theory that a resignation is submitted to a superior. I wonder if it’s been mentioned that when the president of the United States resigns (which has happened only once), he has no superior to submit his resignation to, but rather he signs a piece of paper and gives it to the secretary of state.

This is codified in the 25th amendment to the Constitution, which was put into place in the '60s in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, as a general overhaul of rules and procedures for mid-term successions to the presidency and vice-presidency. Before that, when the president died and the vice-president succeeded him, the vice-presidency remained vacant for the rest of the four-year term.

But even before the 25th amendment, the Constitution as written in the 1780s had provided for succession to the presidency in case the president “resigned”, and it actually used the word “resignation”, apparently without contemplating that it would be submitted to a superior.
 
Yarb said:
I haven’t had time to follow this long thread. The word “resign” is in quotes, and I know that some have questioned whether it’s the right word, on the theory that a resignation is submitted to a superior. I wonder if it’s been mentioned that when the president of the United States resigns (which has happened only once), he has no superior to submit his resignation to, but rather he signs a piece of paper and gives it to the secretary of state.

This is codified in the 25th amendment to the Constitution, which was put into place in the '60s in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, as a general overhaul of rules and procedures for mid-term successions to the presidency and vice-presidency. Before that, when the president died and the vice-president succeeded him, the vice-presidency remained vacant for the rest of the four-year term.

But even before the 25th amendment, the Constitution as written in the 1780s had provided for succession to the presidency in case the president “resigned”, and it actually used the word “resignation”, apparently without contemplating that it would be submitted to a superior.
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Bishop Paprocki of Springfield actually addressed this in his reflection. In his expert opinion, “resign” is the best word for it. I am willing to defer to him in this matter.
 
Actually, when the President resigns, he does submit a resignation to the Secretary of State.

In the case of the Pope…well, when I translate “renuntiare”, I get “renounce” or “surrender”. I still say “abdicate” is a proper term…because the Pope is an elected monarch, has a history of being crowned, and there is an office called “Prince Assistants to the Papal Throne”.

But perhaps we should all just call it a vacancy…
 
mburn16 said:
Actually, when the President resigns, he does submit a resignation to the Secretary of State.

In the case of the Pope…well, when I translate “renuntiare”, I get “renounce” or “surrender”. I still say “abdicate” is a proper term…because the Pope is an elected monarch, has a history of being crowned, and there is an office called “Prince Assistants to the Papal Throne”.

But perhaps we should all just call it a vacancy…
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FWIW, there are Latin words “resignare” or “abdicare” (or even “vacare” 🙂 ) which the Pope could have also used. My guess is that “renuntiare” would be better understood around the world.

See, Latin isn’t that hard.😉
 
ProVobis said:
FWIW, there are Latin words “resignare” or “abdicare” (or even “vacare” 🙂 ) which the Pope could have also used. My guess is that “renuntiare” would be better understood around the world.

See, Latin isn’t that hard.😉
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I guess whatever you call it, it means he’s not going to be the Bishop of Rome anymore. :o
 
There was a time in history when the Church had 2 popes or so. What happened?
 
Joe_5859 said:
I guess whatever you call it, it means he’s not going to be the Bishop of Rome anymore. :o
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That’s true. But why did it take so long for them to figure that out? Doesn’t anyone carry around a Latin dictionary anymore? 🙂
 
Joe_5859 said:
I guess that makes sense. It still seems open-ended. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t sound like they are necessarily going to delete the account or anything. It more or less leaves it up to the next Pope to decide whether or not to take it up (as it should).
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They are going to close the account, a new Pope would have to create a new account if he wanted to tweet
 
ProVobis said:
It was translated as “abandoning,” at least from this video.
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Ma questo non significa abbandonare la Chiesa, anzi, se Dio mi chiede questo è proprio perché io possa continuare a servirla con la stessa dedizione e lo stesso amore con cui l’ho fatto fino ad ora, ma in un modo più adatto alla mia età e alle mie forze”.
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it.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/02/24/oltre_centomila_allultimo_angelus._il_papa:_mi_ritiro_sul_monte_a/it1-667855
“The Lord is calling me to ‘climb the mountain’, to devote even more to prayer and meditation. But this does not mean abandoning the Church, indeed, if God asks me this is just so that I can continue to serve with the same dedication and the same love with which I have done so far, but in a way more suited to my age and my strength.”
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en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/02/24/pope_benedict_xvi’s_farewell_angelus:_i_will_never_abandon_the_church/en1-667850
 
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