Pope Bluntly Faults Church's Focus on Gays and Abortion

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Yes, and they are doing just fine. You should see how they treat gays in Africa.

The point is, the part of the Church that is doing the worst today is the part that for 50 years did emphasize love and mercy over everything else.
Yes, they are executed in some parts of Africa. Disgraceful, inhumane, certainly not what the Church teaches and so against the teachings of Christ. Nothing good comes out of doing something out of fear.

Christ said that the greatest commandment is love. With love for God and love of our fellow men, everything falls into place. We sin because we are human and we try again.
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.

I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.

Basically Pope Francis’ comments have made me consider attending Mass this Sunday for the first time in several years. It felt like he was honestly inviting someone like me back. I haven’t decided whether I’ll actually go yet, but I’m excited about the future of the Church now.
👍 Good for you. Don’t be put off by the way some Threads seem to go for a while. Just think of us as a big family of small children , we may not always agree, but we are one family with the same Father and Mother, whom we all love. And when someone falls over in the playground, the others gather to help and console (see prayer intentions). ❤️
 
Jesus told the woman taken in adultery to go away and " SIN NO MORE" it seems every-time Pope Francis is asked a question he gets involved in a discussion, not of his own making, but which the demon’s have set before him ! The lightening bolt that hit the Vatican makes me wonder.
Jesus saved the woman first… He saved her as well without pre conditions. And after that he asked that her response to the free gift of her life, was “sin no more.”

I think abortion is important. And I am a daughter of the Church. But I think the sins are a symptom of a society that is turning away from God.

And if people don’t know God-or love God; how can we expect them to care what God thinks?

We need to introduce people to Christ, and a relationship with him. And then when they know and fall in love with Christ-they will want to please him.
 
I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.
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JoeCarpenter -

I am assuming that you are sincere in your post.

I think you misunderstand the attitude of pro-life catholics toward the women who have had an abortion. The attitude and message of catholic pro-life groups is one of compassion and healing, not demonization. Have you ever heard of project Rachel? It is a program that pro-life groups promote for women who have had abortions that offers hope, healing and forgiveness. Now, I don’t know where you get the wrong impression about this - but it is indeed wrong. The message of hope and forgiveness is not unwelcome as you wrongly suggest. The people who stand in front of abortion clinics do offer hope and information - an alternative to killing a baby. Now they apparently offer ultrasounds via mobile ultrasound vans. The message of despair is put out by the abortion providers - who brainwash the women that they have no other alternative other than to kill their baby: “A baby? How inconvenient. Kill it.” That is what is said - and it is evil. The providers need forgiveness as well. Fine. But I believe the practice should be illegal - as its murder.

Your impression is incorrect. I have no idea how you got that impression - except that it is a false narrative conveyed by propaganda from the other side - the side that wants abortions to continue.

Glad you’re thinking of coming back - not sure why it would take the abortion issue to do so.

Ishii
 
I was curios to read what people’s thoughts would be regarding His Holiness’ comments…my immediate thought as I heard this on a liberal a.m. talk show was…what signal is this is going to be for those who just thirst for moral relativity…I will give the news commentator credit though…he ended his commentary with…‘let us be clear though, the teachings of the Church are unchanged regarding these subjects’…my problem, I suppose is the message being grossly misunderstood. the Church has NEVER not welcomed ALL…it’s as though wow now we are going to welcome these sinners…we are ALL sinners and we have ALL been ALWAYS welcome…this is nothing new…but stating things like this just confuses conservative Catholics like me…that’s right conservative because I can’t think of a better term…I preferred His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI comments…'a smaller more devout in line with Church teachings…Church…
 
Mind posting a link? And even if this is the case, it’s not the words of the Pope that are the problem, it’s how they’re being spun in the media.

-ACEGC
It’s always about the spin the media puts on the Pope’s words. Remember when the headlines said the Pope had declared that condoms were OK? It wasn’t remotely what the Holy Father had said, but nobody would have known that from the headlines.
 
“I say this also thinking about the preaching and content of our preaching. A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing. The homily is the touchstone to measure the pastor’s proximity and ability to meet his people, because those who preach must recognize the heart of their community and must be able to see where the desire for God is lively and ardent. The message of the Gospel, therefore, is not to be reduced to some aspects that, although relevant, on their own do not show the heart of the message of Jesus Christ.”
in terms of what the pope is saying here he seems to be totally out of touch with reality.
in fact I can’t even remember the last time I heard a sermon on proper or even any catechesis. how he thinks there is too much of this is confusing. is it any wonder the secular world is jumping for joy
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.

I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.

Basically Pope Francis’ comments have made me consider attending Mass this Sunday for the first time in several years. It felt like he was honestly inviting someone like me back. I haven’t decided whether I’ll actually go yet, but I’m excited about the future of the Church now.
Your post in effect demonizes pro-life people as people that are indifferent to women. You do this because that is what you feel the Catholic Church pro-life is all about.

That is very typical of people in the mainstream culture of the left.
 
True story. My dad was standing in line for confession. Circa 1939. He was in jr high. He saw a classmate come out of tbe confessional in tears. My dad approached her and asked if she was ok. They stepped aside and she told him…“I told Fr. my mom served meat yesterday (Friday) and he scolded me and said my mother should have her hands cut off.” My dad walked his classmate home… and no he didn’t go to confession.

Yeah scolding really makes an impact. A negatve one. It wouldn’t have done any good to tell my grandparents what happened because they would say tbe Priest is always right. We know better now. Fr puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else
Wow. How terrible.
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.
All of your other post aside, I think its important for you to know that the emphasis/tone hasn’t changed one bit. In fact, the more I read what Pope Francis writes the more he seems exactly like Pope Benedict! 🙂 The Church has been preaching this same message on mercy and forgiveness and hope. The difference is now the media recognizes it, so to fit their agenda they try to make it seem as if mercy and forgiveness are antithetical to calling out abortion and homosexual activity as sins.
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.

I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.

Basically Pope Francis’ comments have made me consider attending Mass this Sunday for the first time in several years. It felt like he was honestly inviting someone like me back. I haven’t decided whether I’ll actually go yet, but I’m excited about the future of the Church now.
I’m glad the Holy Father’s comments are bringing you back to Mass!

I think you have mischaracterized what Catholics do outside of abortion clinics, though.
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.

I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.

Basically Pope Francis’ comments have made me consider attending Mass this Sunday for the first time in several years. It felt like he was honestly inviting someone like me back. I haven’t decided whether I’ll actually go yet, but I’m excited about the future of the Church now.
Glad to know you are thinking about going back to the Church. The Holy Father said in the interview:
“This is also the great benefit of confession as a sacrament: evaluating case by case and discerning what is the best thing to do for a person who seeks God and grace. The confessional is not a torture chamber, but the place in which the Lord’s mercy motivates us to do better.
The Holy Father emphasizes God’s mercy and encourages us to do better.
I hope you will fully utilize the Church’s sacraments.
 
Sounds like a priest just said some nutty things. I’ve heard teachers say crazy things in their lessons, but it doesn’t mean learning is bad.
No – but certain pedagogical approaches sure are.
 
Hi, this is my first post here. I read about what Pope Francis said yesterday and wanted to see what actual Catholics thought about it so I ended up here. After reading this thread I thought you guys might like to have some perspective from the type of person Pope Francis was probably trying to reach with his interview, a lapsed Catholic.

I was extremely uplifted by what he said yesterday. The fact is that the issues he brought up really are the main reasons I am not an active Catholic anymore. From my point of view, the Church has been overly focused on pointing out and chastising sinners in the world. I know most of you will disagree with me there, but that is just how it has felt to me. It was completely refreshing to hear that Pope Francis wants to move away from that.

To be clear, I completely understand that he did not change the positions on abortion or gays or anything else. But the change in emphasis and tone is a huge deal to me.

I would like to consider myself pro-life but I definitely do not fit into the typical pro-life attitude. Honestly I feel like a lot of Catholics might categorize me as pro-choice, maybe that is true I don’t know. I can only tell you what I believe. I believe abortion is wrong and a sin but at the same time I do not believe in demonizing those who seek and get abortions. The people who get abortions do not realize it is wrong, or even more tragically do realize it is wrong but feel so lost and hopeless that they go through with it anyway. The idea of standing in front of an abortion clinic protesting someone in that condition is terrible to me. I believe in stopping abortions by offering people hope, not by shaming them or treating them like criminals. In the past I felt my viewpoint was completely unwelcome in the Church so I left.

Basically Pope Francis’ comments have made me consider attending Mass this Sunday for the first time in several years. It felt like he was honestly inviting someone like me back. I haven’t decided whether I’ll actually go yet, but I’m excited about the future of the Church now.
The people in front of abortion clinics are rarely protestors. They are praying, offering counseling, and help. You should check it out. You could not ask for a kinder, more caring group of men and women. Try to pass legislation curtailing abortion, and you’ll see protestors. Did you see the over the top anger shown when Texas tried to pass restrictions on abortion clinics? Now that is hateful protest.

And condemning a heinous act is not condemning an individual. We have discussions on here all the time condemning policies in the public sphere. There is a prominent topic on the front page of the world news condemning the reduction in food stamps. Should I be hurt that someone is criticizing a republican belief, since I am a conservative? Of course not.

There were endless topics about George Zimmerman, and many condemned his actions. Is that wrong? Should they have not condemned either man;'s actions, because you perceive it as an attack on an individual?

Had people stood against the sin committed in Nazi Germany, would we have been chastised, or would that have been okay?

For some reason, abortion and legitimizing homosexuality are the two areas where Catholics are told to stop being hateful, or judging people, or not caring about them and coaxing them with love.

Were the Nazis, or George Zimmerman, or Trayvon Martin, or politicians not as deserving of that loving embrace?
 
Jesus saved the woman first… He saved her as well without pre conditions. And after that he asked that her response to the free gift of her life, was “sin no more.”

I think abortion is important. And I am a daughter of the Church. But I think the sins are a symptom of a society that is turning away from God.

And if people don’t know God-or love God; how can we expect them to care what God thinks?

We need to introduce people to Christ, and a relationship with him. And then when they know and fall in love with Christ-they will want to please him.
You are right, but I think we can and need to do both. You cannot stand by while millions are killed while waiting for people to turn to Christ. You can do everything in your power to stop the bleeding, while showing them how much love God is offering them.

If all we wanted to do was to turn people to Christ through love, we wouldn’t need any laws to begin with. But since that is an ongoing process that can takes thousands of years, we have the gifts God has given us to use in the mean time to care for people as well.
 
You cannot stand by while millions are killed while waiting for people to turn to Christ.
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What would the world be like today if we had just waited for Hitler and the Nazi regime to turn away from error and be converted to the truth? “I’m against killing Jews and enemies of the state, but I think we should first wait for the Nazis to respond favorably to the Gospel before trying to stop the holocaust.”
 
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What would the world be like today if we had just waited for Hitler and the Nazi regime to turn away from error and be converted to the truth? “I’m against killing Jews and enemies of the state, but I think we should first wait for the Nazis to respond favorably to the Gospel before trying to stop the holocaust.”
I haven’t seen anyone say we should have.
 
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