Pope calls for suspension of use of arms in Libya

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Pope calls for suspension of use of arms in Libya
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Sunday for the “suspension of the use of arms” in the Libya crisis and expressed concern for civilian populations, an appeal that appeared to include the use of outside force.

Speaking at his Sunday blessing, he said he was addressing his appeal to “international bodies,” and “those who hold military and political responsibility” and did not speak of a “ceasefire” between opposing Libyan factions.

He said he was praying for a return of peace in Libya and the entire North African region.
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The US is apparently involved in another unjust war. Who are we to arbitrarily remove the dictator of a sovereign nation? What about Iran, North Korea and Venezuela? Why not bomb them while we are at it? How about China? Where is the outcry by the left? If you don’t support war, you’re considered to not support the troops by both the right and the left.

Hard to tell if it’s the industrial military complex calling the shots or our PC government who are aiding and supporting Al Qaeda. We’re bullies.
 
Considering that Gaddafi has reneged on not 1 but 2 ceasefires he’s called, I don’t see him putting down his weapons.
 
Pork_Roll said:
The US is apparently involved in another unjust war. Who are we to arbitrarily remove the dictator of a sovereign nation? What about Iran, North Korea and Venezuela? Why not bomb them while we are at it? How about China? Where is the outcry by the left? If you don’t support war, you’re considered to not support the troops by both the right and the left.

Hard to tell if it’s the industrial military complex calling the shots or our PC government who are aiding and supporting Al Qaeda. We’re bullies.
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Yeah, we’re pretty inconsistent on our humanitarian efforts. Ghadaffi hasn’t done much of anything in the last 20 or so years. NOW all of a sudden it is urgent we take him down? In the midst of their own civil war? What was the threat?

Nice to see the Muslim brotherhood setting up control of Egypt too. be careful what you wish for.
 
buchanan.org/blog/obamas-war-4653
By Patrick J. Buchanan
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In ordering air and naval strikes on a country that neither threatened nor attacked the United States, did President Obama commit an impeachable act?
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So it would seem. For the framers of the Constitution were precise. The power to declare war is entrusted solely to Congress.
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From King William’s War to Queen Anne’s War to King George’s War to the Seven Years’ War, the colonists had had their fill of royal wars. To no principle were they more committed than that the power to declare war must be separate from the power to wage it.
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Can’t say it better than Pat.
Yeah, we’re pretty inconsistent on our humanitarian efforts. Ghadaffi hasn’t done much of anything in the last 20 or so years. NOW all of a sudden it is urgent we take him down? In the midst of their own civil war? What was the threat?
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He’s got that disheveled look about him and with those sweet African robes, he’d almost be funny.
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Pork_Roll said:
The US is apparently involved in another unjust war. Who are we to arbitrarily remove the dictator of a sovereign nation? What about Iran, North Korea and Venezuela? Why not bomb them while we are at it? How about China? Where is the outcry by the left? If you don’t support war, you’re considered to not support the troops by both the right and the left.

Hard to tell if it’s the industrial military complex calling the shots or our PC government who are aiding and supporting Al Qaeda. We’re bullies.
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Before he was electerd President, I thought Obama was talking about how he was opposed to the Iraq war? Why then has he started two wars on his own?
 
Before he was electerd President, I thought Obama was talking about how he was opposed to the Iraq war? Why then has he started two wars on his own?
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Because all progressives like Obama are hypocrites. If you remember, Clinton bombed Serbia for no good reason too. Progressives love to get into wars without national interest in mind or justice.
 
Pork_Roll said:
The US is apparently involved in another unjust war. Who are we to arbitrarily remove the dictator of a sovereign nation? What about Iran, North Korea and Venezuela? Why not bomb them while we are at it? How about China? Where is the outcry by the left? If you don’t support war, you’re considered to not support the troops by both the right and the left.
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I am actually very staunchly limited government (I’m a Classical Liberal), but I don’t see how this is an “unjust war” or even a “war” at all. Remember, that Catholicism regards what is called as the “sin of omission”, which is the direct failure to do something that one can and ought to do. It’s like watching an old woman being beaten up by a gang and failing to help in any way whatsoever. James puts it out bluntly in the Epistle of James: “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin” (James 4:15). Even as an advocate of extremely small government, I see no problem with the no-fly zone just so long as it does not involve the deployment of ground troops or anything else that is diametrically opposed to the UN resolution. What I do want is for this to be over and done with as quickly as possible so as to prevent mindless waste of money and resources in this tough economic climate…remove Gaddafi within days, he has the International Criminal Court to answer to!

As for why the U.S. is not intervening in other countries, the simple answer is that the US isn’t the world’s nanny. But that doesn’t mean that the US should be an isolationist. Let’s not forget that Bahrain invited about 5 other Arab countries to shoot their protesters when they saw that the U.S. was doing little in Libya. When the US becomes an isolationist, it signals out to all dictators around the world that they can choose to treat protesters in any way they see fit. Referring back to the Epistle of James, the U.S. would have been complicit in the atrocities since they knew the right thing to do and failed to do it. Libya is being used as an example to dictators across the globe that it is a universal right for the peaceful assembly of protesters without threat of violence or intimidation. Not to mention the fact that Libya was chosen as it would have literally wiped off the people of Benghazi. In Gaddafi’s words, he would show them “no mercy”; in his son’s words, Libya would have been taken within “48 hours”. The UN resolution came just in the nick of time, and to a large part, prevented the looming genocide that was to take place.

I am a Classical Liberal, and I am very staunchly small government. However, even with my political position, I do not take my political position as some sort of divine revelation itself; there are always exceptions, and this is an exception. The lives of the people of Libya are more important than what was written by a group of fallible men.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
Thank God that the pope is making a stand here!

This war shows that there´s practically nothing constitutional about America any more. The executive is wildly out of control, and has been since Kennedy, though Republican presidents have been equally, if not more to blame for these proxy wars. What Buchanan said is right - as usual.

As for the two-bit European power mongers - we’ll one of them(France) is, what the ancient Greeks would have have described as an elective monarchy, while the other(Britain) hasn’t got a written constitution at all. Actually I do have a certain amount of admiration for the British, but it seems once again to highlight the dangers of the supremacy of parliament.

Germany - thankfully did not get involved. What we need is more dissent.
We do business with China - a regime that over the past 50 years has murdered more than 50million people, scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html, has practically banned freedom of religion, persecute the Catholic church, enforces abortion and yet is not only allowed free trade, full UN security right,s but is allowed buy up the property, resources and sovereign debt of western countries.
 
1holycatholic said:
Pope calls for suspension of use of arms in Libya
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Sunday for the “suspension of the use of arms” in the Libya crisis and expressed concern for civilian populations, an appeal that appeared to include the use of outside force.

Speaking at his Sunday blessing, he said he was addressing his appeal to “international bodies,” and “those who hold military and political responsibility” and did not speak of a “ceasefire” between opposing Libyan factions.

He said he was praying for a return of peace in Libya and the entire North African region.
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I hope you understand that the Pope is not infallible on matters such as these. There will always be bloodshed in a “war”; the only concern the Coalition should have is that any shedding of bloodshed is on the part of Gaddafi’s forces, and not the civilian population.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
kildare said:
Thank God that the pope is making a stand here!

This war shows that there´s practically nothing constitutional about America any more. The executive is wildly out of control, and has been since Kennedy, though Republican presidents have been equally, if not more to blame for these proxy wars. What Buchanan said is right - as usual.

As for the two-bit European power mongers - we’ll one of them(France) is, what the ancient Greeks would have have described as an elective monarchy, while the other(Britain) hasn’t got a written constitution at all. Actually I do have a certain amount of admiration for the British, but it seems once again to highlight the dangers of the supremacy of parliament.

Germany - thankfully did not get involved. What we need is more dissent.
We do business with China - a regime that over the past 50 years has murdered more than 50million people, scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html, has practically banned freedom of religion, persecute the Catholic church, enforces abortion and yet is not only allowed free trade, full UN security right,s but is allowed buy up the property, resources and sovereign debt of western countries.
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The only good objection I have heard to the “war” is that it didn’t resort to Congressional approval (which is a requirement for a “just war” because St. Thomas Aquinas would argue a just war is one that had the backing of an accepted public authority). That said, I’m not an expert on the way the American political system works, so I can’t really say much about this (I’m not an American) 😊.

On that note, I would respond that “war” can mean many things. In it’s general usage, it refers to the deployment of ground troops for combat operations. However, technically speaking, the U.S. is at a cyber-war, but that isn’t the connotation when we use the term “war”. In short, war is a multi-faceted term and can mean many things.

As for why Germany didn’t intervene, I have heard that the Christian Social Union and Social Democratic Party of Germany (ruling coalition) are undergoing a political battering now, and simply can not take the chance of intervening in another country. Only recently there were several protests in Germany about the future use of nuclear power, and so the coalition have enough on their plates already, politically speaking.

What I’m more surprised about is how critics have overlooked how Denmark, Sweden and Norway have joined in the Coalition. These countries rarely intervene in any military issue, so I think that serves as a signal to the humanitarian aspect of this no-fly zone.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
What I’m more surprised about is how critics have overlooked how Denmark, Sweden and Norway have joined in the Coalition. These countries rarely intervene in any military issue, so I think that serves as a signal to the humanitarian aspect of this no-fly zone.
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Good that you bring that up! The Scandinavian reputation is admittedly one of the best there is in this regard, though I personally think they have lost their moral compass - or are on the way to doing so. What would be interesting would be to see if they participate on inflicting violence, or if they are purely there for humanitarian reasons.
Having once lived in northern Europe(The Netherlands) for a number of years, I’ve witnessed the growth of a new type of right wing intolerance. I think its a similar story in Sweden with the collapse of the social democrats. But can you imagine a social democrat premier like Olaf Palme condoning the war? Sweden would have stayed out.
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
I hope you understand that the Pope is not infallible on matters such as these. There will always be bloodshed in a “war”; the only concern the Coalition should have is that any shedding of bloodshed is on the part of Gaddafi’s forces, and not the civilian population.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
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I hope you understand that I simply posted a news article without offering any opinion about it. :rolleyes:
 
Pork_Roll said:
Because all progressives like Obama are hypocrites. If you remember, Clinton bombed Serbia for no good reason too. Progressives love to get into wars without national interest in mind or justice.
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Yes, Clinton, Bush, and Obama have put America at war, when diplomacy was the better solution. I thought that America was broke and we need to cut money for education, cut money for libraries, cut money for other public services. But Clinton, Bush and Obama seem to always find billions and billions of dollars to bomb people in their own country. BTW, what good ever came out of the Vietnam war? What a waste of young lives and taxpayer money?
 
sidbrown said:
Yes, Clinton, Bush, and Obama have put America at war, when diplomacy was the better solution. I thought that America was broke and we need to cut money for education, cut money for libraries, cut money for other public services. But Clinton, Bush and Obama seem to always find billions and billions of dollars to bomb people in their own country. BTW, what good ever came out of the Vietnam war? What a waste of young lives and taxpayer money?
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Is there no one in the federal government even remotely familiar with subsidiarity? The federal government has no business funding local libraries etc…
 
1holycatholic said:
Pope calls for suspension of use of arms in Libya
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Sunday for the “suspension of the use of arms” in the Libya crisis and expressed concern for civilian populations, an appeal that appeared to include the use of outside force.

Speaking at his Sunday blessing, he said he was addressing his appeal to “international bodies,” and “those who hold military and political responsibility” and did not speak of a “ceasefire” between opposing Libyan factions.

He said he was praying for a return of peace in Libya and the entire North African region.
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It is things like this that makes Pope Benedict irrelevant to those of us in the real world.

The UN is only using force to stop Gaddafi from killing its own people.

And, since when does a tyrant listen to godly people?
 
1holycatholic said:
Pope calls for suspension of use of arms in Libya
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Sunday for the “suspension of the use of arms” in the Libya crisis and expressed concern for civilian populations, an appeal that appeared to include the use of outside force.

Speaking at his Sunday blessing, he said he was addressing his appeal to “international bodies,” and “those who hold military and political responsibility” and did not speak of a “ceasefire” between opposing Libyan factions.

He said he was praying for a return of peace in Libya and the entire North African region.
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glad to see the pope came out on this topic hopefully the catholic faithful will see eye to eye with him on this view
 
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