Pope calls Paris terrorist attacks part of 'piecemeal WWIII' [CNA]

[Exiled_Child]

I think the comment “Time to call for a new Crusade” was said half-heartedly but a lot of people believe that.

If one for some reason brings race into the equation, how does that offset the killing of Christians in the Middle East? This is what a lot of people want, for the Christians to be protected, in Syria and in Nigeria where they have been under attack, regardless of skin-color, not all Christians are white Europeans.

Yeah. It would require worldwide revolutions and civil wars.

At this point in history, a “crusade” would look very, very different from the crusades of old.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Very true, though sad. The only time the US took in European refugees during WWII took place at Fort Ontario in Oswego, NY in '44. It resulted in 982 refugees coming to the US. To get them into the country, Roosevelt had them identified as his “guests” rather than refugees to bypass immigration quotas. The US didn’t want refugees back then either, it seems.

And how many of those refugees do people suppose were being coached to pretend to be refugees for the purpose of overthrowing FDR and imposing a religious, 7th Century style, male-dominated government over everyone else?

 

[Path_Finder]

And how many of those refugees do people suppose were being coached to pretend to be refugees for the purpose of overthrowing FDR and imposing a religious, 7th Century style, male-dominated government over everyone else?

Exactly, as I said earlier, I believe ISIS even told us that they’d infiltrate the refugees and make attacks that way, they even said they’d do that. This shows this issue at the least needs to be closely scrutinized.

 

[graciew]

Exactly, as I said earlier, I believe ISIS even told us that they’d infiltrate the refugees and make attacks that way, they even said they’d do that. This shows this issue at the least needs to be closely scrutinized.

They will tell us various possibilities so that we can also suffer beforehand.
That is the whole point: much fear. To the point of yielding at the very thought.

 

[gracepoole]

And how many of those refugees do people suppose were being coached to pretend to be refugees for the purpose of overthrowing FDR and imposing a religious, 7th Century style, male-dominated government over everyone else?

I’m not disagreeing that there are serious dangers involved. I’m not, however, completely comfortable denying the masses because of the few. Aside from prayer, I’m not sure of a reasonable solution.

 

[Darryl1958]

A major part of the solution would be to take steps to ensure that refugees are not seen as immigrants, but only as temporary guests whose home remains in the ME.
Many of the young men do not belong on the streets and in the welfare lines in Europe. They need to be armed and trained in military methods, and sent back home where they can fight alongside of the Kurds and the Assyrians and the Yazidis who need their help.

To the extent that they are IS, they need to be rooted out and segregated into the European version of Gitmo. to the extent that they are young men uprooted by war, they need to be the solution to IS in the ME rather than the problematic to the women and the welfare states of Europe.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

I believe in many ways that the Pope is God’s prophet. However, missing from this statement is God’s merciful penance which can save the people. (I could be wrong, but my understanding is this penance from the people is enculsive with prohecies).

We should not turn away when God sends his message through prophets. Rather we ahould look for and uplift the whole message which will include His merciful plan for us during challenging times. I have read this several times, and may be blinded by life, but I don’t see the second part.

 

[mikekle]

Well, at what point do we come out and call this ‘WW3’? I mean, many countries are involved in the ‘war on terror’ ISIS is just one faction of a larger enemy (islamic terrorism in general). Maybe they are just avoiding using the term world war 3 for obvious reasons?

Just like WW2, the islamic terrorists desire to take over the world, in that they want to establish their version of law, belief system in every nation on the planet, not any different than what Hitler wanted.

 

[Larry1700]

No one should hope for war.

Quite the contrary. I’m hoping for an END to the war, but they’re obviously not going to stop of their own accord–are they?

I mean, you know the video of the beheadings on the beach. Given the chance and the ability, wouldn’t you have stopped them? You know the killers wouldn’t stop if you simply asked, so you would have to use force.

If you had the chance and the ability to stop the beheadings, but chose not to, wouldn’t that make you somewhat complicit in the beheadings?

Assuming that you would use force in that limited scenario, apply your conclusion to all the areas of the world where radical Islamists are committing all their atrocities, and you can see that such force is (unfortunately) necessary elsewhere.

 

[Larry1700]

Yes, I’m sure the muslim nations would respond completely positive to a renewal of an 800 year old event for which they still harbor sour grapes.

I didn’t mean to imply that I thought/hoped the radical Islamists would respond positively. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

 

[Larry1700]

Undoubtedly that’s what the perpetrators of these Parisian murders also hope.

It’s been reported, by the way, that at least one witness has described the attackers as young, white-skinned native Europeans.

Who cares what their skin-color is?

 

[Larry1700]

I think the comment “Time to call for a new Crusade” was said half-heartedly but a lot of people believe that.

If one for some reason brings race into the equation, how does that offset the killing of Christians in the Middle East? This is what a lot of people want, for the Christians to be protected, in Syria and in Nigeria where they have been under attack, regardless of skin-color, not all Christians are white Europeans.

Yes, I did say it somewhat half-heartedly, but I’m just so frustrated that the governments are doing virtually nothing to stop it. Maybe “half-heartedly” is not the appropriate phrase. I guess I’m thinking more in terms of “last resort.” I mean, I feel like I’m sitting here doing nothing, and they’re coming for us. I have a new granddaughter. What will she experience if the governments and us sit idly by?

 

[QuidVeritasEst]

If it would be discovered that the Domestic Muslim Population was harboring radical Jihadist
In there communities ,not taking action would be malfeasance.
The Japanese internment was not accompanied by any indication of disloyalty
It was a pure and popular reaction to Pearl Harbor

Alienation and internment are exactly the factors that make young Muslims susceptible to radicalization. These sorts of disturbing measures will only strengthen ISIS’ numbers and their cause. If the “western values” that our governments claim to protect mean anything, we should hold to ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Until we allow meritocratic access to all levels of society to new immigrants, we will have only with hate-producing sectarianism.

It really, really worries me that the vast majority of people on these boards seem to agree with such horrendous measures as interment. You all must have been raised very differently to me.

A major part of the solution would be to take steps to ensure that refugees are not seen as immigrants, but only as temporary guests whose home remains in the ME.
Many of the young men do not belong on the streets and in the welfare lines in Europe. They need to be armed and trained in military methods, and sent back home where they can fight alongside of the Kurds and the Assyrians and the Yazidis who need their help.

To the extent that they are IS, they need to be rooted out and segregated into the European version of Gitmo. to the extent that they are young men uprooted by war, they need to be the solution to IS in the ME rather than the problematic to the women and the welfare states of Europe.

As a resident of the UK, I would campaign for the exact opposite. Your sort of sectarianism only causes racial and religious tension - disenfranchisement that breeds radicalization. Our country is rich and capable, and I would not deny a person who has suffered the chance of a better life in a MEDC based on religion or race.

As for forcibly turning displaced young men and women into conscripted soldiers and sending them to either their deaths, or to become killers, I can think of nothing more horrendous. Haven’t they suffered enough? Regardless, that proposal is a violation of the Geneva Convention, of their free-will, and quite frankly, disgraceful. I do hope you apologize for such a statement.

 

[TaurusRex]

Alienation and internment are exactly the factors that make young Muslims susceptible to radicalization. These sorts of disturbing measures will only strengthen ISIS’ numbers and their cause. If the “western values” that our governments claim to protect mean anything, we should hold to ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Until we allow meritocratic access to all levels of society to new immigrants, we will have only with hate-producing sectarianism.

It really, really worries me that the vast majority of people on these boards seem to agree with such horrendous measures as interment. You all must have been raised very differently to me.

As a resident of the UK, I would campaign for the exact opposite. Your sort of sectarianism only causes racial and religious tension - disenfranchisement that breeds radicalization. Our country is rich and capable, and I would not deny a person who has suffered the chance of a better life in a MEDC based on religion or race.

As for forcibly turning displaced young men and women into conscripted soldiers and sending them to either their deaths, or to become killers, I can think of nothing more horrendous. Haven’t they suffered enough? Regardless, that proposal is a violation of the Geneva Convention, of their free-will, and quite frankly, disgraceful. I do hope you apologize for such a statement.

Well UC QuidVeritas, we ARE different over here in the USA …
we even sang a song “Over There” to get in the mood for WWI.
And we’ve got so many Americans of German blood, it really took Pearl Harbor to get us in the mood for WWII.
The worst disturbance we’ve got in the USA right now since 9/11 is kids disturbing kids in college libraries protesting while the latter kids are studying.

Unlike European countries and the UK, we don’t have hostile groups brazen enough to show their ugly faces on the streets murdering innocent people
And we would like to keep it that way.

rex

 

[Darryl1958]

Alienation and internment are exactly the factors that make young Muslims susceptible to radicalization. These sorts of disturbing measures will only strengthen ISIS’ numbers and their cause. If the “western values” that our governments claim to protect mean anything, we should hold to ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Until we allow meritocratic access to all levels of society to new immigrants, we will have only with hate-producing sectarianism.

It really, really worries me that the vast majority of people on these boards seem to agree with such horrendous measures as interment. You all must have been raised very differently to me.

As a resident of the UK, I would campaign for the exact opposite. Your sort of sectarianism only causes racial and religious tension - disenfranchisement that breeds radicalization. Our country is rich and capable, and I would not deny a person who has suffered the chance of a better life in a MEDC based on religion or race.

As for forcibly turning displaced young men and women into conscripted soldiers and sending them to either their deaths, or to become killers, I can think of nothing more horrendous. Haven’t they suffered enough? Regardless, that proposal is a violation of the Geneva Convention, of their free-will, and quite frankly, disgraceful. I do hope you apologize for such a statement.

I don’t expect Europeans such as yourself to come to your senses in time to do anything about the problem in your midst.
That is fair enough too. If repeated incidents like Paris are acceptable and readily enough absorbable losses, then maintaining the status quo is as good a solution as any.

However for those Europeans who are in any way indignant about these things, then rather than asking for apologies from people who are looking toward solutions, the better path would be to root out the problem at the source.

Europe has simply been unable to integrate Muslims into their societies very effectively.

What is more cruel is to have Westerners fight Syrians’ battles for them, when there is already an army of young, fit Syrian men streaming into Europe.

There is your army.

 

[Ridgerunner]

If it would be discovered that the Domestic Muslim Population was harboring radical Jihadist
In there communities ,not taking action would be malfeasance.
The Japanese internment was not accompanied by any indication of disloyalty
It was a pure and popular reaction to Pearl Harbor

Not totally. There were overt expressions of support for the Japanese Empire in some of the internment camps, even including a newspaper. In every place where the Japanese invaded, many local Japanese joined with the invasion forces.

Likely most of the interned Japanese were loyal Americans or lawful immigrants who meant the country no harm. Probably the biggest error in judgment on the government’s part was the assumption that somehow Japan would be able to invade the U.S.

It might be noted in passing that the government also interned some Germans and Italians, just not as many.

 

[Ridgerunner]

As a resident of the UK, I would campaign for the exact opposite. Your sort of sectarianism only causes racial and religious tension - disenfranchisement that breeds radicalization. Our country is rich and capable, and I would not deny a person who has suffered the chance of a better life in a MEDC based on religion or race.

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And those who were wounded or who lost loved ones in the attack in France…what do they say?