Pope claims condoms could make African Aids crisis worse

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lemonbeam said:
Look at some of the comments on the website!
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And those are evidently the tame ones since several were removed by the moderator. :eek:

On the plus side, at the bottom or the article, the Guardian actually give a pretty good explanation of the Pope’s recent letter regarding the Williamson affair. Better than the UK bishops’ own site.
 
What does MSM stand for? 🤷:confused:

In any case, why should there be shock and horror over this? The Pope is doing the right thing by condemning condom usage. Condoms prevent the openness to life that is necessary for moral marital relations. Marital relations are meant to be open to life and unifying, condoms prevent this.
 
holly3278 said:
in any case, why should there be shock and horror over this? The pope is doing the right thing by condemning condom usage. Condoms prevent the openness to life that is necessary for moral marital relations. Marital relations are meant to be open to life and unifying, condoms prevent this.
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eeeeeeeeexxxxxxxaaaactttttlllyyy!!!
 
Nothing surprises me with the Liberal Ministry of Propaganda anymore. That is why they have no credibility and is going bankrupt or shutting down in many places.
 
I was reading a news article yesterday on how the HIV rate, per-capita, is higher in Washington D.C. than it is in Africa.

And last I checked, the condom patrols were out in full force through-out D.C.
 
averheyen said:
I was reading a news article yesterday on how the HIV rate, per-capita, is higher in Washington D.C. than it is in Africa.

And last I checked, the condom patrols were out in full force through-out D.C.
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That is inaccurate. The rate at which the infection is spreading in DC is currently higher (at 3%) than in Africa, but the per-capita number of infected in Africa is significantly higher. 2/3 of the world’s HIV positive population lives in Africa and 3/4 of the worldwide deaths from HIV are in Africa.

The reason that the infection rate in Africa has been decreasing is multifold. First, there has been a concerted effort for several years at education, not just on condom usage, but on how HIV is spread (many Africans are without basic medical knowledge and did not understand the concept of blood-borne infection). Second, they may be reaching the maximum rate of infection (i.e. most of those likely to be infected because of the risky behavior are in fact already infected).

Whereas the reason that HIV is spreading so rapidly in DC as compared to other areas may be due to the fact that there is an increased incidence of IV drug use and a tendency among African-American males (who are 50% of the DC population) to avoid using condoms.

PS: As a faithful Catholic, I was really disappointed to hear the Pope’s statement. First, there is absolutely no statiscal evidence that promoting the use of condoms increases the instances of sex outside of marriage. Moreover, it is irresponsible to tell a couple where one is infected and the other is not that using a condom during sexual relations is a sin. In such cases, condoms absoultely are necessary.

It must also be understood that African women have a legitimate need to use condoms, both to protect themselves from being infected by their husbands since male fidelity is not a cultural norm for them, nor is it culturally acceptable for a woman to deny sex to her husband. Furthermore, the level of poverty is so high, it is imperative to allow women some control over the number of children they have.

In a perfect world, condoms would not be necessary. But in the real world, which is far from perfect, especially in the poverty and disease stricken nation of Africa, condoms are not only acceptable but necessary.
 
sandie75 said:
PS: As a faithful Catholic, I was really disappointed to hear the Pope’s statement. First, there is absolutely no statiscal evidence that promoting the use of condoms increases the instances of sex outside of marriage.
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There is common sense. Do you have any statistical evidence to the contrary - that condom use does not increase the instances of sex outside of marriage?
Moreover, it is irresponsible to tell a couple where one is infected and the other is not that using a condom during sexual relations is a sin. In such cases, condoms absoultely are necessary.
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In such cases abstinence is absolutely necessary. Do you know just how much condom use prevents the risk of HIV infection? Perfect condom use reduces the risk of the transmission of HIV by five sixths. In other words, having sex with an HIV infected person and using a condom is basically playing Russian Roulette with AIDS. In such instances, HIV transmission to the uninfected partner is almost inevitable over time with perfect condom use.
It must also be understood that African women have a legitimate need to use condoms, both to protect themselves from being infected by their husbands since male fidelity is not a cultural norm for them, nor is it culturally acceptable for a woman to deny sex to her husband.
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Nor is condom use culturally acceptable.

If I were a woman and about to be raped by a man, then I would request he use a condom. I’m sure he wouldn’t comply, but if he did it would be a small mercy. In all other cases, condom use is contrary to the moral law.

By the way, I would have thought that a “faithful” Catholic would actually be **faithful **to the clear and unequivocal teachings of the Church.
 
sandie75 said:
PS: As a faithful Catholic, I was really disappointed to hear the Pope’s statement. First, there is absolutely no statiscal evidence that promoting the use of condoms increases the instances of sex outside of marriage. Moreover, it is irresponsible to tell a couple where one is infected and the other is not that using a condom during sexual relations is a sin. In such cases, condoms absoultely are necessary.
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I love how you call yourself a faithful Catholic, and then proceed, in great detail, to contradict everything the Church teaches on the subject of contraceptives.
 
Studies show that HIV infection in the heterosexual population on Africa could be reduced by fifty per cent or more through male circumcision and that this would also reduce the incidence of certain cancers.
 
Geneticsguy said:
Which does not exist, by the way.

Just wanted to let you know.
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I think the term, in general, refers to all the big mainstream media blocks, CNN, FOXNews, Reuters, MSNBC, etc, etc. In otherwords, all the present heavy weights, which do, last I checked, exist.
 
sandie75 said:
PS: As a faithful Catholic, I was really disappointed to hear the Pope’s statement. First, there is absolutely no statiscal evidence that promoting the use of condoms increases the instances of sex outside of marriage. Moreover, it is irresponsible to tell a couple where one is infected and the other is not that using a condom during sexual relations is a sin. In such cases, condoms absoultely are necessary.
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Faithful Catholic?

Ha, you have no idea.

You ever heard of the Pill?
Know when it first came out?
Know what it did to marriages?
Did you know it played a big part in the era of sexual revolution, and still is?

Now, can you make a connection between a condom and the pill?

hint: both shares a common usage
 
I don’t know what these people are getting so freaked out about. How many people in this world actually listen to what the Pope has to say anyways? To think that people having pre-marital/extramarital sex would refuse to use a condom because the Pope said not to is silly. But of course, I guess it’s more fun to blame the AIDS epidemic on the Pope that those truly responsible for this mess, isn’t it? :rolleyes:
 
sandie75 said:
PS: As a faithful Catholic, I was really disappointed to hear the Pope’s statement. First, there is absolutely no statiscal evidence that promoting the use of condoms increases the instances of sex outside of marriage. Moreover, it is irresponsible to tell a couple where one is infected and the other is not that using a condom during sexual relations is a sin. In such cases, condoms absoultely are necessary. .
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No, abstinece is necessary, condoms, since they have a non-zero failure rate, will only delay infection, not prevent it.

What is irresponsibile is for an infected spouse to have sex with their partner at all, and to say otherwise would be false and immoral.
 
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