Pope, Curia to discuss reconciliation with SSPX

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Adonis33:
WOW!!! This is excellent.
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I will wait for either it to happen or for us to get a report that names sources other than “unnamed” ones or naming as sources news reporters as those who report the news are not true souces.

Seems we get a lot of reports on what is going to happen at the Vatican from “unnamed” sources and those things never happen.

Like the universal indult that was susposed to come from the recent synod of bishops at the Vatican.
 
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Adonis33:
Wow - how accurate is this arcticle, do you think?
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I think it’s much more accurate than the prior rumors (such as a “Universal Indult” for the Tridentine Rite which was supposed to come on 19 Nov, or of previous rumors about the reunification of the SSPX and Rome) because the information currently presented has gone into so much more detail. I read the Italian article in the original Italian and the language and detail is much more convincing than prior rumors and allegations. Even more, we are hearing from a man who works with the Pope himself on this issue, whereas other rumors have originated from the staff of Cardinals or someone of lesser status than the Pope.
 
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ByzCath:
I will wait for either it to happen or for us to get a report that names sources other than “unnamed” ones or naming as sources news reporters as those who report the news are not true souces.

Seems we get a lot of reports on what is going to happen at the Vatican from “unnamed” sources and those things never happen.

Like the universal indult that was susposed to come from the recent synod of bishops at the Vatican.
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You are correct - it would be better to wait and see how this pans out. I guess I get a little over zealous whenever I hear new news of a reconciliation.
 
Fidei Defensor:
I think it’s much more accurate than the prior rumors (such as a “Universal Indult” for the Tridentine Rite which was supposed to come on 19 Nov, or of previous rumors about the reunification of the SSPX and Rome) because the information currently presented has gone into so much more detail. I read the Italian article in the original Italian and the language and detail is much more convincing than prior rumors and allegations. Even more, we are hearing from a man who works with the Pope himself on this issue, whereas other rumors have originated from the staff of Cardinals or someone of lesser status than the Pope.
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I just went to the website of SSPX- USA District. They have removed the link to their “Apologetic Materials” section in which they have blasted the Pauline Mass and the Second Vatican Council. I think that we are entering a time of true reconciliation.
 
Fidei Defensor:
I just went to the website of SSPX- USA District. They have removed the link to their “Apologetic Materials” section in which they have blasted the Pauline Mass and the Second Vatican Council. I think that we are entering a time of true reconciliation.
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That’s great news! I hope this truly is another sign that reconciliation is very near as you say. 👍
 
Fidei Defensor:
I just went to the website of SSPX- USA District. They have removed the link to their “Apologetic Materials” section in which they have blasted the Pauline Mass and the Second Vatican Council. I think that we are entering a time of true reconciliation.
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Hmmm, strange, I just went there and the link to the “Apologetic Materials” is still there but the place where they blast the Mass is in the “Articles Index”, which is the link right above the “Apologetic Materials” link, and it is still there too along with their misleading topic on the “New Mass”.
 
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ByzCath:
Hmmm, strange, I just went there and the link to the “Apologetic Materials” is still there but the place where they blast the Mass is in the “Articles Index”, which is the link right above the “Apologetic Materials” link, and it is still there too along with their misleading topic on the “New Mass”.
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I believe they used to have more under the “apologetic” link. There are a few tracts I remember reading that aren’t there anymore.
 
Rome, FSSPX, and the Traditional Roman Rite - What to expect in the near future
So, what should we expect in the next few weeks regarding the ongoing talks between the Holy See and the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X?

First: do not expect big news.
Second: do not expect a magical date.
Third: do not overinterpret, understand the details.
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rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
 
Rand Al'Thor:
Peace be with you!

Everyone just ignore alfredo. I am reporting him to the mods. Argument or even conversation with him is pointless.

As far as the SSPX goes, either you accept the authority of the pope or you don’t. The SSPX, regardless of what they claim, do not accept the authority of the pope. If they did, as they claim they do, they would not comdemn VII or criticize every pope since Pius XII because of it.
If any SSPX people had been to one of the NO Masses my uncle says or one of Holy Rosary’s NO Masses I doubt they would have a problem with it (especially Holy Rosary’s High Mass).
Can anyone who thinks the NO is not reverant tell me that this does not look reverant?
holyrosarypdx.org/consecration/c1.htm
holyrosarypdx.org/photogallery/index.php?twg_album=Christmas+2005%7E%7EMidnight+Mass

In Christ,
Rand
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The problem is of course there is NO uniformity anymore. I would love to visit such a Mass. However the New Mass that I have been to is so protestant, some places leave off the word Mass anymore, the congregation carry on as if they are in the pub, yahooing and coo-ing to friends and rellies, you cannot see the Tabernacle etc. I do not think our Archbishop allows the public access to the Tridentine Mass but i have heard of at least one priest allowed to offer the Tridentine Mass in private homes only…
 
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bekalc:
There are NO masses that are reverent. You want to know something though. I was a Protestant going to a Catholic wedding, a Pentecostal. And I was incredibly moved by the words of the litury. I was sitting there crying, saying how Christ died for me, and I sang the words for weeks. A year later I joined RCIA.

If that mass had been in Latin, I don’t think I would have had the same reaction to the mass. If people like latin that’s fine…People worship differently. I think as long as the mass is respectful that’s fine. Besides its not like the mass hasn’t ever changed before. In fact, the mass wasn’t even “originally” in Latin.
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My wife, who is a convert, has said many times, that if the Mass was still in latin, she probably wouldn’t have became interested in joining the church. If the sspx people reject the authority of the Pope, and the teachings of the Church, that’s fine. That’s their problem. But they can’t consider themselves Roman Catholics unless they change and accept the church as it is.
 
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Adonis33:
You are correct - it would be better to wait and see how this pans out. I guess I get a little over zealous whenever I hear new news of a reconciliation.
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Agrees. There has been reports of this for years and nothing has come of them. I think it is wishful thinking on certain communities.

Even if there was a reconciliation, I do not think all would come back. I think there would be a split within the SSPX.

PF
 
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WanderAimlessly:
Agrees. There has been reports of this for years and nothing has come of them. I think it is wishful thinking on certain communities.

Even if there was a reconciliation, I do not think all would come back. I think there would be a split within the SSPX.

PF
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Considering that the sedevacantist wing of the SSPX already split to form the SSPV, I don’t doubt another split would occur if reconcilation were to take place. There are always hardline elements. If Rome can be the one that is wrong, then there’s no reason for them not to think their own leaders can fall into error by reconciling with Rome.
 
I think that what is needed is for all of us to support the Holy Father and to consider what we can do to promote unity. I would like to hear positive comments on both sides regarding the strong points of each and where we agree on things and to see constructive criticism regarding ways to come closer to absolute reconciliation. I believe that allowing for a “Traditional or Tridentine Rite” of the Church, just as we have “Coptic Rite”, Roman Rite", “Melkite”, etc, would be one possible step. The real truth is we have splintered the Body of Christ to the point that the rest of the world either laughs at Christians or regards them as irrelevant. Unity is desperately needed for effective evangelization which is, after all, our great commission! Blessed are the peacemakers, not the anger mongers!
 
Well, it seems that SSPX members show no interest in recognciliation with Rome and don’t wish to be united with Rome.
 
it’s hard to reconcile with a group that thinks the pope lead the church into error and that those faithful to rome are more or less protestant, unfortunately we also have the sspx on these shores
 
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