Pope Emeritus Benedict - The Church and the Scandal of Sexual Abuse

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Do you really believe that in the past 20 years people (including authorities) have largely desired not to prosecute those responsible for sexual abuse against minors?
Not the poster you asked, but yes, I do believe in the last 20 years people have largely desired not to prosecute for sexual abuse against minors. To take it further, I also believe people have largely desired not to prosecute for sexual abuse of anyone. When there are the rare cases that do get to the court system, often they are dismissed or settled with little or no consequence to the offender. I have been through the experience of trying to get someone prosecuted. The system is truly set up against the victim in child sex abuse cases.
 
I unequivocally support all of the Popes of my lifetime.

This is no conflict between these 2 holy men.

I am anxious to see if the Vatican weighs in on this.
 
I was just wondering about the timing of this with Holy Week upon us.
This feels like the most peculiar Lent I have ever experienced.
 
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The timing is curious. Does anybody know if BXVI participated in the abuse summit?
 
As in February 2013 when then Pope Benedict announced resigning?

So much more has come to light and yet there are dark shadows.
 
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I honestly would like to know if you feel Pope Francis’s recent response to Archbishop Apuron’s case is also “insufficient”. He was not removed from ministry or from the clerical state, nor has he been assigned to live in prayer and penance.


Just wondering since the Pope said he himself “was taking on the appeal myself and not sending it to the council of appeal”

I personally believe Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI is an extremely holy man. His perspective has a great deal to offer to the church.
 
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I have a lot of concerns regarding Pope Francis’ handling of the crisis. A lot.

For what it’s worth, I love and respect so much about BXVI. It’s hard to see his faults but I think necessary.
 
Fair enough.
I personally will not judge Pope Benedict or Pope Francis for their handling of these cases. They know far better than me the circumstances and risks involved.

I will say in their defence that the Church has good reason to not completely trust governments when dealing with discipline of church officials.

Please understand the the person dearest to me in my youth (my mother) was a victim of clerical sexual misconduct and the church dismissed her claims. She was not seeking any compensation, she was always a devoted daughter of the church who always gave away any money she ever had.

So I do want the perpetrators removed from ministry but governmental involvement carries it’s own risks. Not the least of which is the clergy’s inability to defend themselves if any of the accusations fall under the seal of the confessional.
 
What makes you think they know far more? In the case of the Chilean Bishops Francis knew far less than the media including the press. In my local diocese I know far more than the Pope about the abuses we are currently dealing with. In almost every case being made public it isn’t the Pope who uncovers the abuse, but rather law enforcement. There are abuse cases that were hidden or covered up that perhaps the popes know about. These would be even more troubling.
 
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What makes you think they know far more? In the case of the Chilean Bishops Francis knew far less than the media including the press. In my local diocese I know far more than the Pope about the abuses we are currently dealing with. In almost every case being made public it isn’t the Pope who uncovers the abuse, but rather law enforcement. There are abuse cases that were hidden or covered up that perhaps the popes know about. These would be even more troubling.
Yes, this is correct.

Sadly there are only two options. One, that despite decades of evidence, those in a position to do something about it did not know more - which would be an extraordinary failure of either omission or commission. The other is that they did know more, but chose to do nothing about it. I do not see a good third option.
 
The subject of Vatican II has arisen in these comments. What we know now is that it did not anticipate what was about to happen even in the decades of the 60’s. I personally look at that as something of a failure of the council.

Sexuality is always a timely subject, and the baby boom after WWII should have been a clue, the contraception movement which had been picking up speed owing to Margaret Sanger, and the historic problem of homosexuals in the clergy should have all been addressed by the Council. I don’t know, and probably doubt, that these hot topics were even on the agenda of the council. At least Paul VI had the guts to take on the contraception question head on. At least he knew the work of the council and of the Church as a whole was not done.

As much as the New Testament deals with sexual conduct, that omission by the council to address it was a serious miscalculation.

I will have to critique myself by reviewing Fr. Flannery’s translation of the Decree on Priests. I wonder if anything is in there?
 
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What we know now is that it did not anticipate what was about to happen even in the decades of the 60’s. I personally look at that as something of a failure of the council.
contraception movement which had been picking up speed owing to Margaret Sanger
The pill/contracepton was not widely available until the 60s. The council couldn’t have imagined that was coming down the pike but I’m sure the contraceptive mindset has much to do problems today.
 
I think there’s more to it than the “could he have done” more question when it comes to Maciel. This letter is a piece of garbage for the following reasons:
  1. Saying “it’s the 60’s fault,” when the institution you lead abuses children demonstrates a lack of character.
  2. While blaming the 60s and sexual liberation might be popular with, and even seem self evident to those whose pre-existing beliefs it flatters, this letter provides no proof to back up these claims.
  3. Maciel and the Legionnaires were darlings of the conservative types who are probably tripping over one another to pat themselves on the back for finding this letter “refreshing” and theologically sound in its passing the buck back to liberals and the 60s. It is cringey even now to think back on how pressed those people where about the legionnaires. I remember lot’s of gushing, and fawning over their masculinity and orthodoxy.
  4. So you have a theoretical case that the 60s are to blame with no proof, and an real case of the St. JP II/Benedict Vatican protecting an actual guilty party who embodied their anti everything 60s and liberal fanbase. When you mess up that badly, and that publicly; it’s time to stop theorizing about who or what else might be to blame, and own up to what you actually did.
 
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This is a false dichotomy. False accusations of sexual misconduct were a favored tactic of the Soviet and other governments. The popes we are talking about witnessed the disinformation campaigns first hand. It is entirely possible that many accusations were considered this. In addition not that long ago the abusers were thought to be reform able. Many were sent to treatment, cleared for ministry then abused again.

But not directed at you…
I find it very disheartening that so many on this forum are so willing to set themselves as judges of Popes. In the case of John Paul II we are speaking of a canonized saint. I guess the posters on this forum are somehow superior intellectually or morally to some of the most brilliant, holy men of the 20th century.
 
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Having lived through the sexual revolution of the decade of the 1960’s and following, most of what the Pope Emeritus writes seems to be common sense and an acknowledgement of the history of those decades.
Oh good grief. That’s just passing the buck and looking for excuses. The underlying human lusts and misconducts have always been there, just read St. Paul’s letter to the Romans for example. Perhaps prior to the 60s the thin veneer that was making society look homogenous and pure was still in place; that has since come off no doubt, and revealed the rot underneath that has existed since the Fall.

But don’t make the mistake of assuming that it was always sweet and pure before then. Many of these abuse cases happened in the 50s. That’s prior to Vatican II and the sexual revolution. The parish priest in my mother’s parish was known to be a molester in the '40s for heaven’s sake, and parents knew well enough back then to keep their kids from being alone with him. Of course nothing happened, He was untouchable because he was a priest.

My mother and her generation also had many horror stories of some very wicked sisters that taught them in boarding school (but also some very good ones).

Read up on the Residential Schools (for aboriginals) in Canada, and the horrible abuses they suffered… starting in the 19th Century.

With all due respect to the Holy Father Emeritus, he has his head buried deeply in the sand on this issue.

In fact I’m terribly disappointed with the entire Church hierarchy on the crisis. It has shaken my faith to the very core, especially in the Church’s absolutist view of a sexuality that her own princes impose on the riff-raff in the pews without holding themselves to the same standards (O’Brien, McCarrick, Pell)
 
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This is a false dichotomy. False accusations of sexual misconduct were a favored tactic of the Soviet and other governments. The popes we are talking about witnessed the disinformation campaigns first hand. It is entirely possible that many accusations were considered this. In addition not that long ago the abusers were thought to be reform able. Many were sent to treatment, cleared for ministry then abused again.

But directed at you…
I find it very disheartening that so many on this forum are so willing to set themselves as judges of Popes. In the case of John Paul II we are speaking of a canonized saint. I guess the posters on this forum are somehow superior intellectually or morally to some of the most brilliant, holy men of the 20th century.
What false dichotomy? What third, good option is there to explain the actions of Church leadership.

As to judgment, I set myself as judge of no one. I am merely pointing out facts.
 
He did not believe the accusations for one option, because of so many similar false accusations employed by the Soviets in the past.

Just one of many possibilities.
 
I’m not arguing that the culture was flawless and pure before the decades beginning with the 1960’s. I’m simply noting that’s when the sexual revolution had its inception and flowering, and it had an effect on the culture.

It started before the 1960’s with such things as the publishing of Playboy magazine in 1953. On the first page of the first issue, Hugh Hefner wrote this: “We want to make it clear from the very start, we aren’t a ‘family magazine.’ If you’re somebody’s sister, wife or mother-in-law and picked us up by mistake, please pass us along to the man in your life and get back to your Ladies Home Companion.”

Still many teenage boys worked to convince their moms that it was okay because it had really great articles. Hefner himself used the magazine to promote what he called the “playboy philosophy,” which boiled down to: when it comes to sex, anything goes as long as it’s consensual.

During the next ten years or so, what had once been my favorite newsstand and bookstore transformed itself into a huge porn outlet.

In short, the sexual revolution pretty much advocated for the end of Judeo-Christian morality, and it wasn’t accidental; it was promoted by prominent media leaders and entertainment figures. Of course it made a difference. I’ve read that there were some priests ordained in the 1940’s and 1950’s who were abusers but many did not begin abusing until after the onset of the sexual revolution. It seemed to make it somehow okay.
 
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