I believe this fellow Protestant poster stated eloquently my thoughts on the subject. Moreover, it becomes quite bothersome when members of the clergy I know bring up a supportive viewpoint of Martin Luther, yet I guess that’s just another attribute of the modern Church apologizing for all past ‘transgressions’ in order for the world to embrace it.Are you saying that Pope Benedict shouldn’t have done this?
Actually I believe the Holy Father said something positive about Martin Luther while visiting Germany the other day so I guess that must ruffle your feathers as well.
Nah, just a time of chastisement, which will be followed by a far better time.Actually, in my experience (not everybody, of cpurse) many of these people will not really be “satisfied” until the CC basically is destroyed and/or (“next best thing”) allows women priests, abortion, and gay marriage.
Yep, we are in the last days, people.
Yep. I agree. The Crusades were a good thing.
It is the first time that it has been said by a pope to the world. Bl. John Paul apologized to the Jews for what Christians have done to them and what they failed to do for them. It was a very specific apology. This is a global apology, if you will. What needs to be understood here is that those who committed acts of violence against others, in the name of Christianity were often not very good Christians or were led by the old saying, “the ends justifies the means.”
I agree, however I am unsure exactly who this describes.
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If he were from Afganistan or Iraq, he would be my Pope, the same!!!
The Lord has said that no one knows the day or hour of his coming, so I’m not prepared to agree that we are in “the last days” before he comes. I am prepared to say that it doesn’t really matter if we are or not. We are called to be true to the faith and to what our Lord has taught us at all times, not just at the end of time. It doesn’t matter if others are not satisfied with apologies the Church offers for falling short of what our Lord has called his people to be. What is important is that we know when we fall short and that we confess our failings to God and to those we offend; that we maitain faith with what Jesus has taught us and calls us to be. The Church cannot be destroyed except that the Lord wills it. He has promised us that the Church will remain until its mission is completed and the Kingdom comes. That’s good enough for me.Actually, in my experience (not everybody, of cpurse) many of these people will not really be “satisfied” until the CC basically is destroyed and/or (“next best thing”) allows women priests, abortion, and gay marriage.
Yep, we are in the last days, people.
There are too many things yet to happen for this to be the last days, and frankly as bad as things are, they are nothing compared to what the world will see during the Great Tribulation. So, I just can’t see how this can be the end times (don’t forget, there will be a Mass coversion of the Jews just before the end as well, and that is nowhere in sight today). WE will not see the end until the full number of Gentiles has entered the Church, along with (as the Bible says) all Israel.Hopefully.
You reminded me of War and Peace , when Nikolai Rostov sees the French charging and is amazed that anyone would want to kill him: “Kill me? Me? Whom everybody loves so?”
You reminded me of War and Peace , when Nikolai Rostov sees the French charging and is amazed that anyone would want to kill him: “Kill me? Me? Whom everybody loves so?”
What did I say to remind you of that?That’s just as true of the Crusades as the ousting out and victimization of Native Americans in order to form the US of A. But no one with an ounce of integrity would be proud of what we did to the Native Americans either.
However, one must weigh how much good was done compared to the bad done by those following their own rules. The bad things done during the Crusades did not happen as orders from the Church or Pope, they were done by individuals and individual groups…that is always going to happen (sadly and tragically). Yet, the thought that the Pope or the Church set out to invoke those horrors is just false. To apologize (in a general sense) for what Christians did is fine, good and productive; however, to make it seem as if those horrors were Church/Pope mandated actions is wrong.
Because none of us likes to think the world would end while we’re still in it!!!
That was not even remotely close to my thought.Because none of us likes to think the world would end while we’re still in it!!!
I know full well that the Lord can return at any time; however, if we listen to the Church and Revelation, there are still many things that must take place before the Lord returns–that is all I am saying. I do not believe the Lord’s return is eminent for these reasons (all taught by the Church and Revelation):I am a big fan of this Pope, and perhaps he realizes that walkign softly with the love of Christ (while not forfeiting the truth) is far better than walking aggresively toward those you want to convert.
I refuse your reasoning.I am a big fan of this Pope, and perhaps he realizes that walkign softly with the love of Christ (while not forfeiting the truth) is far better than walking aggresively toward those you want to convert.
Taking the: “you are wrong and I am correct” approach might actually be in fact truth, yet it will never go over well with those we are trying to bring into the full light of Christ. As Saint Paul said, “To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.” We must meet people where they are, and in a way that will attract them to the truth, without sacrificing the truth in the process–THAT is the only real way to help save those around us.
