Pope falls foul of German hosts by shunning seat belt

[Pfaffenhoffen]

Greetings Pfaffenhoffen,

It should be left to the individual on this one. I did want to respond to the quote that I quoted above.

I hate to bring the past up. But if you follow that statement to its bitter end, we have a repeat of the atrocities that were done in Germany in the last century.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

Godswin Law, very fast.
The is another figure of speech I do not remember: I am not going to tell what I am telling you. You hate to bring the past but you bring it.
I hate bringing slavery and apartheid and Luther King’s fight into the subject but I will bring it.
What does it have to do with seat belts?
When you have not got arguments, you just sidetrack.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

I am not going to tell what I am telling you.

Greetings Pfaffenhoffen,

I am quite sorry but this statement makes no sense.

And some of your other statments that if one followd them to the end of the road leads to a freedomeless gonvernemnt. Who wants the police making all the choices for the people? Sounds like the state that Hitler and them ran in the last century too. I am puzzled as to why you cannot follow where I am going with my remarks.

If you can’t understand, then there’s no way I can explain.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[purplesunshine]

Fortunatly I live in an American where there are still states with no seatbelt law, no Helmet law and no socalized medicine (yet…if obama gets his way that will unfortunatly change)

 

[vz71]

A government that pays your medical expenses owns your body.
It is bought and paid for through socialized medicine.

One of the big reasons for opposing any government run health care plan.

 

[vz71]

Just like the laws against endangering others?

No, you have no right to endanger anyone else.
I believe the bumper sticker phrase for it is “My freedom to swing my fist ends where another persons chin begins.”

Think of it this way - those firefighters who have to cut your body out of your car because you didn’t wear your seatbelt,

If I am in an accident and need to be cut out of the car, seat belt use is not the cause.

or those paramedics who had to attend to try and revive you (and then to declare you dead)

Again, has little to nothing to do with seat belt use.

or all that money then spent by the local authorities to clear up the crash site - and then all the money spent on the wages of those people who attended the accident, increased fees/payouts for insurance claims on any other vehicles involved, the amount of money spent on your funeral/your medical fees…

All of which would be there wether or not a seat belt is used.

Yeah, you’re right, it shouldn’t be anyones business. Apart from the huge amount of taxpayer dollars spent on clearing up your mess, just because you exercised your “free will” to not wear a seatbelt.

Only if there is a financial burden placed on the government by seat belt usage.
But it would be very tough to determine that unless there is state run health care.

Look at your family next time you say that to yourself. You owe it to them to take every precaution for your safety.

Absolutely. (See, I can sometimes agree with you.)
But it should not be the place of the state to force me to buckle up.

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

Greetings Pfaffenhoffen,

I am quite sorry but this statement makes no sense.

And some of your other statments that if one followd them to the end of the road leads to a freedomeless gonvernemnt. Who wants the police making all the choices for the people? Sounds like the state that Hitler and them ran in the last century too. I am puzzled as to why you cannot follow where I am going with my remarks.

If you can’t understand, then there’s no way I can explain.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

If it makes no sense, please see in Wikipedia “Apophasis / Apophesis”
Godswin Law again, and repeating.
So, it was Hitler wo imposed the seat belts according to you or is your history knowledge with a need for refreshment.
No, I do not accept a “freedomeless gonvernemnt” that brings from Africa millions of black people, imprisones them, separates families, make them work with no wages for hundreds of years, deprives them of their total freedom, some of them not knowing in their entire lives what freedom was.
No, I do not believe in freedomless people who could not seat at the same garden bench as whites, could not go to the same motels, swimming pools, residential areas, restaurants , buses.
No, I do not accept freedomless governments.
I can follow very well in your remarks, simply I do not go your way.
So it was Hitler who asked you to wear seat belts, So You do not wear !!!
Or was it the Ditactor Obama? where is your ditactor who tells you to wear seat belts and you do not wear? And yo think you are logic?

Sorry, You do not wear because you want to do the opposite of your father. sorry, your father was right, you are wrong.

As for my family, everyone uses it.
And you are in the wrong time, for all new cars make a loud beep if you do not put the seat belt. So I think you are going all the way with the beep sounding for you do not want to obey the ditactorship of the car…!!!

 

[purplesunshine]

And you are in the wrong time, for all new cars make a loud beep if you do not put the seat belt. So I think you are going all the way with the beep sounding for you do not want to obey the ditactorship of the car…!!!

A person with a 5th grade knowlege of electronics can disable the bell…not really that hard.

And you do realize that seat belt law for adults is NOT universal and that there are still places in America where it is leagal for driving adult not to wear a seat belt?

 

[TEPO]

I think the Pope should be cited and fined for not wearing his seat-belt… Or perhaps both the Pope and the driver depending on what the law is there.

 

[LemonAndLime]

No, you have no right to endanger anyone else.
I believe the bumper sticker phrase for it is “My freedom to swing my fist ends where another persons chin begins.”

If I am in an accident and need to be cut out of the car, seat belt use is not the cause.

Again, has little to nothing to do with seat belt use.

All of which would be there wether or not a seat belt is used.

Only if there is a financial burden placed on the government by seat belt usage.
But it would be very tough to determine that unless there is state run health care.

Absolutely. (See, I can sometimes agree with you.)
But it should not be the place of the state to force me to buckle up.

I know in the US things are different with health and safety laws. For example here, if I hurt my back at work, I am entitled to compensation from my employer. I heard it’s not the same in the US.

Some of the examples above are to do with seat belt use. If you don’t use one, you will need a paramedic. If you don’t, you might be lucky and escape with only a bruised shoulder and whiplash.

I’m amazed that you can sometimes agree with you too. This is a dangerous precident, we shouldn’t continue with this.

 

[rlg94086]

I know in the US things are different with health and safety laws. For example here, if I hurt my back at work, I am entitled to compensation from my employer. I heard it’s not the same in the US.

It’s not “the same,” but people do get workers’ compensation if they are injured at work. It may be implemented differently state-to-state.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

If it makes no sense, please see in Wikipedia “Apophasis / Apophesis”
Godswin Law again, and repeating.
So, it was Hitler wo imposed the seat belts according to you or is your history knowledge with a need for refreshment.
No, I do not accept a “freedomeless gonvernemnt” that brings from Africa millions of black people, imprisones them, separates families, make them work with no wages for hundreds of years, deprives them of their total freedom, some of them not knowing in their entire lives what freedom was.
No, I do not believe in freedomless people who could not seat at the same garden bench as whites, could not go to the same motels, swimming pools, residential areas, restaurants , buses.
No, I do not accept freedomless governments.
I can follow very well in your remarks, simply I do not go your way.
So it was Hitler who asked you to wear seat belts, So You do not wear !!!
Or was it the Ditactor Obama? where is your ditactor who tells you to wear seat belts and you do not wear? And yo think you are logic?

Sorry, You do not wear because you want to do the opposite of your father. sorry, your father was right, you are wrong.

As for my family, everyone uses it.
And you are in the wrong time, for all new cars make a loud beep if you do not put the seat belt. So I think you are going all the way with the beep sounding for you do not want to obey the ditactorship of the car…!!!

Greetings Pfaffenhoffen,

Then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

And no you have missed my points yet again. I am done with this conversation between you and I, the main reason being is I do not want to move into a point of being annoyed and uncharitable with you.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[Anathama_Sit]

A person with a 5th grade knowlege of electronics can disable the bell…not really that hard.

And you do realize that seat belt law for adults is NOT universal and that there are still places in America where it is leagal for driving adult not to wear a seat belt?

Greetings Purplesunshine,

Actually what I do with mine is I put the seat belt in the clicker. No beeps.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[vz71]

I know in the US things are different with health and safety laws. For example here, if I hurt my back at work, I am entitled to compensation from my employer. I heard it’s not the same in the US.

Similar perhaps.
It is called a workman’s comp injury. And the employer pays the medical on it.

Some of the examples above are to do with seat belt use. If you don’t use one, you will need a paramedic. If you don’t, you might be lucky and escape with only a bruised shoulder and whiplash.

A car wreck is far too fluid to realistically make a claim one way or the other concerning seat belt use.
But generally speaking, if the car wreck is serious enough to require the car to be cut open to get you out, you will need medical attention whether or not you used the seat belt.
I suppose the case can be made for the seriousness of the injuries…but in a country where these medical expenses are covered with private insurance, it is not the business of the state.
I can see however the state using government run health care as leverage to start passing legislation governing aspects of our lives to a greater and greater degree.

I’m amazed that you can sometimes agree with you too. This is a dangerous precident, we shouldn’t continue with this.

Don’t worry, it likely will not last long.

 

[Tenofovir]

I think the Pope should be cited and fined for not wearing his seat-belt… Or perhaps both the Pope and the driver depending on what the law is there.

The Pope is visiting Head of State. Believe me they would not cite Sarkozy or Putin if he were driving through Berlin, nor anyone who is an official diplomat. Besides the Pope mobile is more of a parade float. It could be argued that wearing a seat belt in such a case is not necessary, as it is driving very carefully and very slowly, and is not really a car either, but a float.

Personally I think not wearing the seat belt in ordinary cars is a little silly. Seat belts do save lives. Seat belts also reduce costs associated with injuries. Someone who is flung out of his car will usually suffer serious head, neck and spine injuries and may end up in lifelong coma or lifelong paralysis. He can pay for his private medical insurance but the Broken Window Fallacy in economics applies. More injuries to him, make everyone else poorer as the money spent by his insurance company to buy things like IV drip bags and giving sets could have been invested to create jobs more productively. Besides his company will have to find a new worker and so will lose productivity in the process and that will cost the economy and shareholders too. But most importantly, why make your loved ones suffer, and why throw your God given life away?

 

[TEPO]

The Pope is visiting Head of State. Believe me they would not cite Sarkozy or Putin if he were driving through Berlin, nor anyone who is an official diplomat. Besides the Pope mobile is more of a parade float. It could be argued that wearing a seat belt in such a case is not necessary, as it is driving very carefully and very slowly, and is not really a car either, but a float.

Personally I think not wearing the seat belt in ordinary cars is a little silly. Seat belts do save lives. Seat belts also reduce costs associated with injuries. Someone who is flung out of his car will usually suffer serious head, neck and spine injuries and may end up in lifelong coma or lifelong paralysis. He can pay for his private medical insurance but the Broken Window Fallacy in economics applies. More injuries to him, make everyone else poorer as the money spent by his insurance company to buy things like IV drip bags and giving sets could have been invested to create jobs more productively. Besides his company will have to find a new worker and so will lose productivity in the process and that will cost the economy and shareholders too. But most importantly, why make your loved ones suffer, and why throw your God given life away?

Head of State or not, look what happened to Princess Diana… Now what if the driver of the pope mobile had a heart attack or a stroke while driving…? Mind you, the Pope mobile is a Mercedes Benz M class SUV. It’s fast and very top heavy due to the mechanical lift.

If the unthinkable did ever happen (God Forbid), the Pope could be seriously injured. I would think that this would be a wake-up call for Catholics to be urging our Papa to wear his belt from now on.

 

[vz71]

Head of State or not, look what happened to Princess Diana… Now what if the driver of the pope mobile had a heart attack or a stroke while driving…? Mind you, the Pope mobile is a Mercedes Benz M class SUV. It’s fast and very top heavy due to the mechanical lift. and if the unthinkable did ever happen (God Forbid), the Pope could be seriously injured. I would think that this would be a wake-up call for Catholics to be urging our Papa to wear his belt from now on.

My aren’t we the pessimist.

As long as we are looking at the dark side here, the crowd surrounding the popemobile would keep it from going very far or very fast.

Sure, several people would be killed, but I doubt the people in the car would be on the receiving end of it.

 

[TEPO]

My aren’t we the pessimist.

As long as we are looking at the dark side here, the crowd surrounding the popemobile would keep it from going very far or very fast.

Sure, several people would be killed, but I doubt the people in the car would be on the receiving end of it.

But the Pope is 84 years old… An incident like that could be much more harmful on the Pope than it would a middle aged person such as myself. That is unless the Pope’s cabin had airbags.

BTW, does the pope-mobile have airbags…? If not we should be urging for that too, just in case the Pope forgets to buckle-up again.

 

[jilly4ski]

But the Pope is 84 years old… An incident like that could be much more harmful on the Pope than it would a middle aged person such as myself. That is unless the Pope’s cabin had airbags.

BTW, does the pope-mobile have airbags…? If not we should be urging for that too, just in case the Pope forgets to buckle-up again.

You realize of course, that the pope wasn’t wearing his seat belt while they were going parade speed and waving at crowds right?

 

[TEPO]

You realize of course, that the pope wasn’t wearing his seat belt while they were going parade speed and waving at crowds right?

…maybe.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Head of State or not, look what happened to Princess Diana… Now what if the driver of the pope mobile had a heart attack or a stroke while driving…? Mind you, the Pope mobile is a Mercedes Benz M class SUV. It’s fast and very top heavy due to the mechanical lift.

If the unthinkable did ever happen (God Forbid), the Pope could be seriously injured. I would think that this would be a wake-up call for Catholics to be urging our Papa to wear his belt from now on.

Princess Diana is a bad example here. What happened to her had nothing to do with criminal immunity afforded to Heads of State/diplomatic immunity. She was never even a Head of State.