Pope Francis ‘opens Holy Thursday foot-washing rite to women’

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For the record, there were changes to Holy Week prior to Vatican II. Also St. Joseph was added to the Canon in 1962, arguably the most serious violation of Quo Primum up to that time. I was probably too young to notice any significant opposition to them.

This was also before internet forums, though. 🙂
Ah, yes, here we go again, reminding one and all that one Pope, on a disciplinary matter, can bind all future Popes on that same matter.

But of course, that did not apply to him, as the ink wasn’t altoghether dry before he altered the Mass… and how many Popes after him did likewise, well before we ever got to poor old St. Joseph?

Nice try…🤷
 
I am amazed that anyone would bring up foot washing as something sensual, but since you brought it up, do you wish to carry out logically the thought… such as priests who are not straight? Or can we agree that the comment was totally and completely unnecessary at best?
Yes, for pastors who are not straight, this could be an issue. One would hope that a Pastor would be straight.

However, the NORM is for straight pastors and priests. We cannot protect against all, but feet washing can be sensual.

But who said it had to be the priest… What if a woman is selected to have her feet washed who has a little crush on the priest. It could cause her to have impure thoughts.

Again: I’m not critiquing the Pope. I’m just saying that around the world and even around the nation, people have different cultural taboos.
 
From the Gospel of John, chapter 13
*12 When he had washed their feet, and taken his garments, and resumed his place, he said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you? 13 You call me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. 14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. 15 For I have given you an example, that you also should do as I have done to you. 16 Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him. 17 If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them. *
When this rite is done in monasteries…of men AND of women…and it is the Superior who undertakes to wash the feet of those s/he governs, it is assuredly not with reference to the priesthood. It is with reference to the example of Jesus who is Teacher and Lord washing the feet of His disciples and how each must do likewise relative to anyone they are placed over. They do it on Holy Thursday because that is when Jesus did it.

In the same way, when monarchs performed this rite, it was not about the priesthood. Rather, it was about “If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them” – being called to serve and not simply to be served. Today, in the United Kingdom, the Queen does not wash feet but she does bestow special ceremonial gifts on those whom she has chosen to be with her for the celebration of the Maundy Thursday service, in her presence, at one of the Anglican Cathedrals where she serves those she has selected to receive this honour; her ancestors actually did literally wash feet. Now, the number of people for whom she does this gesture of service is equivalent to the number of her years.

In the context of the Mass of the Lord’s Supper in Rome as celebrated by the Pope, it was historically at the cathedral, Saint John Lateran. And it was 12 priests who had a foot washed. It was a fitting gesture relative to the bishop and his priests. That is a luxury Rome has that many dioceses do not because of the shortage of priests, however.

Pope Francis though chose to set aside that custom and take up a very different one from that of his predecessors…choosing to go to places for this Mass more in keeping with where a priest would be and what a priest would do for the Mass of the Lord’s Supper.

After celebrating the Chrism Mass in the morning, he goes to his much loved periphery for the evening Mass of the Lord’s Supper, to focus on a community that is marginalised and not thought of as much as it perhaps should be, in order for him to bring the love of Christ to them and, at the same time, to focus a light on places where we are all called to make a difference.

This is not simply a rite to be accomplished at Mass in a parish church, although that is where it will occur the most, numerically speaking. It is, however, the expression of what is supposed to be lived daily by those who have been placed in a position of authority – be it a prelate or a priest…be it an abbess…be it a monarch…OR be it with each other; we are to be servants to all as Jesus made Himself to be. The choice of Pope Francis to leave behind his cathedral to go and serve those on the periphery is itself a gesture of what Jesus mandated on Maundy Thursday every bit as much as when, in the sacred liturgy, he is washing the feet of the people that he finds there.

In parishes, it can be very easy, since Holy Thursday has many themes that are complementary but not coterminous, to associate the foot washing with the origin of the priesthood…but, as the above examples show, monastics and monarchs would not agree that is the only – or even the most appropriate – interpretation of the rite. And the Pope is also reminding us of that in his own way.
Thank you Father.

Your posts are always enlightening. Thank you for posting
 
I have always thought, if a parallel was really sought on the level of the parish, it is for the priest, assisted by the deacons, to wash the feet of the altar servers. Every Sunday (and at every daily Mass) the congregation sees the altar servers serving the priest and deacon at the altar and, in a moment, on Holy Thursday, the congregation having heard the gospel of what Jesus did that night, then see the priest set aside his vestment and, in humble service and assisted by the deacons, wash the feet of those who have been serving him. It is an expression in itself and the reminder that the congregation, in turn, is called to do likewise in their own lives and circumstance.
This would be an excellent idea!!!
 
Again: I’m not critiquing the Pope. I’m just saying that around the world and even around the nation, people have different cultural taboos.
The decree says that women *may *be chosen. I am sure there are many legitimate reasons to choose just men.
 
Yes, for pastors who are not straight, this could be an issue. One would hope that a Pastor would be straight.

However, the NORM is for straight pastors and priests. We cannot protect against all, but feet washing can be sensual.

But who said it had to be the priest… What if a woman is selected to have her feet washed who has a little crush on the priest. It could cause her to have impure thoughts.

Again: I’m not critiquing the Pope. I’m just saying that around the world and even around the nation, people have different cultural taboos.
The cultural side of it bringing up issues, I can readily concede. One would have to be sensitive if one is in such a circumstance. I remember when I taught liturgy and sacraments and had to explain basic elements and concepts of inculturation and why one must be sensitive…and how real problems and sincere difficulties can thereby arise. Oh did I have some stories.

Beyond that, I do think people tend to impose things on this image in their minds that are really not realistic. All I can say here is that I have trouble envisioning this scenario, as presented; I can’t envision washing a woman’s foot in this circumstance becoming a movement towards the sensual at all.
  • I am crawling across the cold stone floor, which is extremely uncomfortable and, frankly, by the end painful.
  • I have never been able to do this rite without standing up three or even four times; it is physically impossible to make it across such a flat distance on my knees.
  • I may have removed the chasuble, but I still have my trousers, my soutane, and my alb shifting around as I try to move…garments, which are twisting and turning, at a certain point simply won’t let me move any further without getting up to readjust them.
  • I am literally on hands and knees with a basin I am primarily moving, sometimes with a bit of help.
  • I have a deacon standing beside me who is handing me and then taking from me the water pitcher and I have altar servers on the other side of me conveying clean towels and taking used towels.
  • I am contending with 12 people, who have their own level of discomfort at being unshod in front of a congregation that is staring at them as I am trying to wash and dry their foot.
  • I am also being stared at by the whole congregation…as well as everyone else in the sanctuary. One is conscious of being a spectacle.
  • I am focused to the matter at hand…namely, not using too much water, lest the basin fill too quickly or the water run out before finishing. Not to miss the basin and have water going everywhere, including on me. And try as I might, I never feel like I have satisfactorily dried the foot so that the person can but put their soggy foot back into their stocking and shoe. I am certain I haven’t, since I always ended up with a soggy foot when I was in their shoes.
  • One is conscious that the choir has a limited amount of music and you have a limited amount of time, beginning with removing your chasuble, tying an amice around your waist, going to the people, doing this rite, coming back to the chair, washing your hands with as much soap, water and antibacterial gel as feasible after washing 12 feet, donning again the chasuble, taking one’s breath and maybe a discreet glass of water, and getting on with the bidding prayers. One is not lingering, looking at the people or looking at and caressing their foot.
I find the whole thing, if anything, very mechanical. I am minimally holding the foot stationary over the basin so as not to make a mess and then using a hand towel to try to dry a foot.
 
The cultural side of it bringing up issues, I can readily concede. One would have to be sensitive if one is in such a circumstance. I remember when I taught liturgy and sacraments and had to explain basic elements and concepts of inculturation and why one must be sensitive…and how real problems and sincere difficulties can thereby arise. Oh did I have some stories.

Beyond that, I do think people tend to impose things on this image in their minds that are really not realistic. All I can say here is that I have trouble envisioning this scenario, as presented; I can’t envision washing a woman’s foot in this circumstance becoming a movement towards the sensual at all.
  • I am crawling across the cold stone floor, which is extremely uncomfortable and, frankly, by the end painful.
  • I have never been able to do this rite without standing up three or even four times; it is physically impossible to make it across such a flat distance on my knees.
  • I may have removed the chasuble, but I still have my trousers, my soutane, and my alb shifting around as I try to move…garments, which are twisting and turning, at a certain point simply won’t let me move any further without getting up to readjust them.
  • I am literally on hands and knees with a basin I am primarily moving, sometimes with a bit of help.
  • I have a deacon standing beside me who is handing me and then taking from me the water pitcher and I have altar servers on the other side of me conveying clean towels and taking used towels.
  • I am contending with 12 people, who have their own level of discomfort at being unshod in front of a congregation that is staring at them as I am trying to wash and dry their foot.
  • I am also being stared at by the whole congregation…as well as everyone else in the sanctuary. One is conscious of being a spectacle.
  • I am focused to the matter at hand…namely, not using too much water, lest the basin fill too quickly or the water run out before finishing. Not to miss the basin and have water going everywhere, including on me. And try as I might, I never feel like I have satisfactorily dried the foot so that the person can but put their soggy foot back into their stocking and shoe. I am certain I haven’t, since I always ended up with a soggy foot when I was in their shoes.
  • One is conscious that the choir has a limited amount of music and you have a limited amount of time, beginning with removing your chasuble, tying an amice around your waist, going to the people, doing this rite, coming back to the chair, washing your hands with as much soap, water and antibacterial gel as feasible after washing 12 feet, donning again the chasuble, taking one’s breath and maybe a discreet glass of water, and getting on with the bidding prayers. One is not lingering, looking at the people or looking at and caressing their foot.
I find the whole thing, if anything, very mechanical. I am minimally holding the foot stationary over the basin so as not to make a mess and then using a hand towel to try to dry a foot.
Thank you Father,

This is another very enlightening post. I really appreciate it. I learn a lot from your posts and really appreciate you being on here.

God Bless and thank you for your priesthood
 
For the record, there were changes to Holy Week prior to Vatican II. Also St. Joseph was added to the Canon in 1962, arguably the most serious violation of Quo Primum up to that time. I was probably too young to notice any significant opposition to them.

This was also before internet forums, though. 🙂
Really!?!?

I had no idea he was added so late. :eek: That’s crazy. Lol! Thanks for sharing that. Learn something new everyday. 👍
 
Really!?!?

I had no idea he was added so late. :eek: That’s crazy. Lol! Thanks for sharing that. Learn something new everyday. 👍
Yes, St. Joseph was added in the 62 Missal, though the wording was “St. Joseph, the Spouse of the same Virgin” It still is, in the Latin EP1. The translations, however, were simply “St Joseph, Her Spouse” and also made in the Latin EP2, EP3, and EP4 by Pope Francis. Why the reference to Virgin was dropped (though not entirely) is probably a good topic for another thread.
 
Yes, for pastors who are not straight, this could be an issue. One would hope that a Pastor would be straight.

However, the NORM is for straight pastors and priests. We cannot protect against all, but feet washing can be sensual.

But who said it had to be the priest… What if a woman is selected to have her feet washed who has a little crush on the priest. It could cause her to have impure thoughts.

Again: I’m not critiquing the Pope. I’m just saying that around the world and even around the nation, people have different cultural taboos.
This whole bit could derail the thread. The foot washing is in front of the whole congregation and is not done in a fashion that is “sensual”.

In other words this is a red herring, period.

I don’t think the Pope who brought foot washing back to Holy Thursday was dense, and I don’t think any of the Popes who have continued the foot washing were dense either. “But what if” is a game for sophomores in high school, and I am sure you are not one of them.
 
Is This rite only for Christians or can it be done on anyone?
Archbishop Roche, on behalf of the Congregation of Divine Worship, has indicated that it will probably be reserved to Christians, although not necessarily Catholics, with the possibility of including non Catholic spouses who are Christian.

I feel certain that the Pope, since his liturgy is governed by different norms, will also have the rite involve non Christians.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/women-may-now-have-their-feet-washed-at-holy-thursday-mass-pope-says-64684/
 
I feel certain that the Pope, since his liturgy is governed by different norms, will also have the rite involve non Christians.
Different norms? Interesting. I have not really heard this before. Are these different norms codified or set down somewhere they can be verified, or do they exist only in the Pontiff’s head?
 
Archbishop Roche, on behalf of the Congregation of Divine Worship, has indicated that it will probably be reserved to Christians, although not necessarily Catholics, with the possibility of including non Catholic spouses who are Christian.

I feel certain that the Pope, since his liturgy is governed by different norms, will also have the rite involve non Christians.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/women-may-now-have-their-feet-washed-at-holy-thursday-mass-pope-says-64684/
Given that the Pontiff has already incorporated non Christians in past years, I would say you are likely correct.
 
Different norms? Interesting. I have not really heard this before. Are these different norms codified or set down somewhere they can be verified, or do they exist only in the Pontiff’s head?
No. They don’t exist only in the Pontiff’s head or even primarily there. For current usage, it is with the officials of the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff. In terms of theory and practice, historical as well as current, the best, and more accessible, resource would be the Pontifical Institute for Liturgical Studies on the Aventine.
 
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