Pope Francis calls for big changes in Roman Catholic Church

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Is that CNN article anything we haven’t heard about 500 times already?
 
The new Apostolic Exhortation is out: Evangelii gaudium. *In English it is some 51000 words. *It is a slog.

I caution all of you (and myself as well) not to rely only on accounts or summaries of this document in the New York Times, or Fishwrap, or … name your liberal source… or trad source for that matter. *I am for now avoiding reading about it.

See if you can avoid getting kicked by the knee-jerks.

I will have more observations later. *However, as I have begun my work on it – and when I land on something that I sense will be controversial – one of the things that I constantly remind myself of is “About whom is the Pope talking in this phrase?” and also, “What does that really mean?” * Half the time, when I review his daily sermons, I have a hard time figuring out what on earth he is talking about. *I am finding that in this document too, but I still have a lot more to read.

And former Father Greg Reynolds of Australia is still excommunicated.

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Sarabande said:
I’ve been reading a few stories on this. I don’t know what to think about it yet.
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My take on it is that if you had to sum it all up in one sentence, the Holy Father wants to place more emphasis on what the Church *does *believe in rather than what it doesn’t believe in.
 
I downloaded the entire document onto my desktop this morning before I finished my first cup of coffee! Consider the source. Get the real story from the Popes own words, not CNN for heaven’s sake! 😃
 
Catholic_Opinion said:
The new Apostolic Exhortation is out: Evangelii gaudium. *In English it is some 51000 words. *It is a slog.

I caution all of you (and myself as well) not to rely only on accounts or summaries of this document in the New York Times, or Fishwrap, or … name your liberal source… or trad source for that matter. *I am for now avoiding reading about it.

See if you can avoid getting kicked by the knee-jerks.

I will have more observations later. *However, as I have begun my work on it – and when I land on something that I sense will be controversial – one of the things that I constantly remind myself of is “About whom is the Pope talking in this phrase?” and also, “What does that really mean?” * Half the time, when I review his daily sermons, I have a hard time figuring out what on earth he is talking about. *I am finding that in this document too, but I still have a lot more to read.

And former Father Greg Reynolds of Australia is still excommunicated.

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I’ve started reading the source document. As the above post says, it’s lengthy. But it’s well worth the read from what I can see, and it’s full of good material.

What isn’t good, though, are the reprehensible comments in the article linked to above. That Catholics can call “the election of Pope Francis a grave error” with a clear conscience is a further example of the dangers of liberalism. 😦
 
3DOCTORS said:
Not giving CNN the time of day, I took the link to Vatican News instead. The new document sounds marvelous! 👍 I’m going to download it right now. Here’s the most direct link there is:

vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html

You can read it online or download as a PDF. :compcoff:

[SIGN]God Bless Pope Francis![/SIGN]
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I agree with you about using a more direct link to get the real story. I do look at CNN because I am interested in reading the comments. There are a few who understand what Pope Francis is saying, but not many.

DGB
 
Change isn’t such a bad thing. He is just calling us to be more willing to go to the poor and preach the gospel. It isn’t like he is changing Dogma or Tradition.
 
What can I say, His Holiness knows his business!

Being of a vaguely liberal bent and mildly imbued with monastic influences, I’ve always felt Capitalism (in its purest forms) was always two apples short of a bushel, if you take the meaning. It’s a functioning system that works, but it’s not working toward the appropriate end.

Then again, I’m one of those crazies that thinks the monastic tradition of holding everything in common within the community is both practical and achievable.
 
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What can I say, His Holiness knows his business!

Being of a vaguely liberal bent and mildly imbued with monastic influences, I’ve always felt Capitalism (in its purest forms) was always two apples short of a bushel, if you take the meaning. It’s a functioning system that works, but it’s not working toward the appropriate end.

Then again, I’m one of those crazies that thinks the monastic tradition of holding everything in common within the community is both practical and achievable.
 
DoGodsBidding said:
I agree with you about using a more direct link to get the real story. I do look at CNN because I am interested in reading the comments. There are a few who understand what Pope Francis is saying, but not many.

DGB
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I’m probably better off not reading the comments. Why get upset right before Thanksgiving? 😃
 
agnes_therese said:
I’m probably better off not reading the comments. Why get upset right before Thanksgiving? 😃
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That’s the spirit. Both the CNN and the “WDTPRS.com” links contained mean-spirited comments that are totally contrary to the joy that pervades Pope Francis’ words. Our most rational response to them is simply to ignore them. 😃
 
I see the wisdom in focusing on poverty. I think poverty is linked to all kinds of things. I consider it one of the underlying problems from theft, prostitution, contraception, divorce, to abortion, drugs, etc. I think the pope’s right on the money, there.

Please, do not get me wrong. I am not trying to condone abortion, or any other sin. However, I agree if we could make some headway on poverty, it might help decrease these other social problems, and sins.

I once took a class on poverty, and I learned how the divorce rate tended to go up when we had economic problems. I got to see in actual statistics, at a public college, that poverty was, indeed, related.

People might be more inclined to steal if they can’t find legitimate work and can’t figure out how else to get by.

Some women turn to prostitution when they can’t pay the bills and don’t know what other legitimate options they have. One might sell drugs, same reason. One might use contraception thinking, “How can I afford another mouth to feed?” Women might be more inclined to turn to abortion, same rationale.

Again, it’s not right, but I agree with the pope that it couldn’t hurt to focus on poverty, since it is the underlying issue in so many sins.
 
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