Pope Francis challenged Trump on his Jerusalem decision at the Vatican and on Instagram

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Trump has never convincingly spoken of having religious faith, but won the overwhelming support of white evangelical Christians in the 2016 elections.
they had no choice because his opposition was so bad on issues that mattered to them.
The fake religious arguments are being used to demonise segments of the population – particularly when it comes to migrants and Muslims
what fake religious arguments? read the Koran and hadith, it is very clear. if you want further proof, look to you tube for videos from islamic scholars for their teachings.

as for migrants, their message is very clear in what they want. nobody needs to demonize them just watch, listen and learn.

i don’t understand the politicians. they are being told by the migrants what they intend but the politicians and MSM ignore them and push their own interpretation.
Pope Francis – with his emphasis on the need to build bridges, not walls, and his adamant refusal to conflate Islam and Islamic terrorism – is attempting to counter this narrative of “fear”
what does the pope say about the muslim position on the state of israel?
 
Jerusalem was supposed to be independent of both Israel and the Palestinians, likely to avoid such conflicts. Does anyone know exactly why that didn’t happen?
My guess, that fell through after the 6-day war that captured Palestine.
Actually, no. It dates back to the Israeli War of Independence in 1948-49. When WW1 ended, the Ottoman Empire was broken up. Since they had sided with the Germans, they suffered the loss of territory. The British were awarded Palestine (aka Southern Syria) as well as Iran/Iraq. (The French were awarded the territory later called Lebanon.) Iran/Iraq was called “British Mandated Mesopotamia” and Israel was called “British Mandated Palestine.” A month before the British conquered/liberated Jerusalem, the Balfour Declaration was promulgated by HRH. This declared the British determination to establish a Jewish Homeland in Palestine. The Declaration and the establishment of British Mandated Palestine was approved by the League of Nations.

Fast forward to just after WW2. The British are tired of having to occupy this land and continue making concessions to the Arabs to ensure the free flow of British oil. (It doesn’t help that every time they try to come up with a way of dividing the land into Jewish and Arab sections results in the Arabs rioting and destroying everything Jewish they can find.) The British announce the end of the Mandate and put the problem into the lap of the newly-minted UN. After a lot of negotiations, Palestine is divided into the area to be called Israel and the Arab portion, who don’t bother naming their share because they’re really pi**ed off that ANY Jews are allowed to live in the region. Jerusalem was declared to be an independent region administered by the UN.

The end of the Mandate was supposed to be on 14 May 1948. Every other place where the British had left (such as India) there had been some ceremony passing control over to the leaders of the newly created countries. With Israel, though, the British literally lowered the flag, got on the boats, and left without even saying goodbye and good luck. That evening, the Provisional Government of the Modern State of Israel signed their Declaration of Independence, fulfilling Isaiah 66:8.

Two days later, all the Arab nations around Israel started attacking and invading. The Kingdom of Jordan quickly captured Jerusalem. After almost a year of fighting, Israel negotiated an armistice with each of their surrounding neighbors. No matter what they did, the Israelis were unable to retake Jerusalem or the regions of Judea and Samaria. These two regions became known as “The West Bank” and Jordan officially became known as “Transjordan”.
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No one raised one objection to Jordan capturing eastern Jerusalem (which was to be under UN control) or how Jordan claimed this land on the West Bank that was to be the source of the Arab nation. In fact, Jordan began removing the Arabs who lived there and replacing them with Jordanians, in order to strengthen their claim to the land. It remained this way for almost 20 years until Transjordan, Syria, and Egypt launched simultaneous unprovoked attacks on Israel. In fighting back, Israel captured/liberated Jerusalem, as well as Judea and Samaria.

Understand that it is a rule of international law that if country A launches a war of aggression against country B and winds up loosing territory to country B, that land now belongs to country B as a punishment against A for launching the war of aggression. If the USA were to invade Canada in order to break the maple syrup cartel, and we lose and in losing, Detroit is captured by Canada, all that land now belongs to Canada. Jordan launched a war of aggression against Israel, and in doing so lost East Jerusalem and the West Bank. That land now belongs to Israel.
 
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It remained this way for almost 20 years until Transjordan, Syria, and Egypt launched simultaneous unprovoked attacks on Israel. In fighting back, Israel captured/liberated Jerusalem, as well as Judea and Samaria.
It was preceded by claims, counterclaims and maneuvering, but the 6-day war was a highly effective preemptive strike by Israel with the Arabs clumsily responding.
Understand that it is a rule of international law that if country A launches a war of aggression against country B and winds up loosing territory to country B, that land now belongs to country B as a punishment against A for launching the war of aggression. If the USA were to invade Canada in order to break the maple syrup cartel,…
Again, Israel really pulled the trigger first and the Holy Land is not Maple Syrup.

Six Day War

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack. Within three days the Israelis had achieved an overwhelming victory on the ground, capturing the Gaza Strip and all of the Sinai Peninsula up to the east bank of the Suez Canal.
 
I don’t have an opinion on this right now, but I will say that El Trumpo has one-upped the Vatican yet again.

Embarrassing.
 
That last paragraph was unnecessarily offensive and out of place …
I do not think even Trump would write such a tweet no matter how fond he is of tweeting.Nor crave for such scorn in public and deliberately
And " Your Holiness" as you wrote,is a Head of State too btw.
 
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Again, Israel really pulled the trigger first and the Holy Land is not Maple Syrup.

Six Day War

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack. Within three days the Israelis had achieved an overwhelming victory on the ground, capturing the Gaza Strip and all of the Sinai Peninsula up to the east bank of the Suez Canal.
so you think they should have waited because the mobilization was for a peaceful purpose?
 
President Trump seems to be the voodoo doll of the left.

Well he does seem to enjoy doing inflammatory things.
 
Yes, so unfortunate that the Pope is looking out for his spiritual children in Palestine… some Palestinians are Catholic and the Catholic leaders in the Holy Land oppose this move.
 
And what of our Palestian Catholic brethren whose leaders also oppose this move?
 
Okay, so I’ve received different answers to my initial post.
What’s preventing the extraction of Jerusalem from both sides today? Why is no one pushing for this again? It’s quite clear the Old City and possibly other sites are the most highly contested part/s and clearly giving them to one or the other will cause a never ending cycle of violence.
 
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Exactly. How dare any Catholic suggest that the Pope has no right to comment on international politics. Popes have always done so and always will. They have a duty to do so. And as you say the Pope is a Chief of State.
 
Neither Pope Francis (much maligned) nor President Trump (ditto) are speaking infallibly. The President is only continuing a political process, coincidentally begun two decades ago by a liberal democrat. The Holy Father is rightly concerned about Middle East peace - but how can it exist with Islam manifesting its militancy?
 
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We’ve become too good and practiced (and selective) at what is considered offensive. Some seem eager to take offense, making a living out of it.

Today comments are offensive, but what a mother chooses to do when she goes to an abortion center is “choice”, and I have to pay for it!

A world turned upside down.
 
And what of our Palestian Catholic brethren whose leaders also oppose this move?
they are entitled to their opinion.

what is the history of the area

only 13% of this land is supposedly private. a portion of this private land was purchased by early jewish setters prior to 1967. the arabs were willing to get rich by selling the overpriced land. many of jewish holdings were destroyed in the war. so who does the land actually belong to?

the government lands are a spoil of war.
 
Good points.

It started with Umar 5 years after Mohammed died. They took Jerusalem from the Jews.

So their argument that the spoils of war isn’t a just reason gets undercut as soon as someone brings facts into the discussion.

I was lucky enough recently to be in Israel including Jerusalem on a pilgrimage with my wife. First time there. The walls that the Muslims put up in the 1000s - which are still there today - are made with blocks of stone that came from toppled Christian Churches.
 
The pope has no business telling the US where to put the embassy.

None.

He’s way out of line.

Does Trump get a say about what the Vatican does in other countries?
Anyone can have an opinion about such things. But I was not aware the Pope said anything about where the US should put the embassy?

By the way, does the embassy have to be located in the capital of a country?

It may be equally true that the US president has no business declaring where the capital of another country should be located.
Trump should dismiss the pope in public.

“Thank you for your tweet, Your Holiness, I recommend you get back to the business of rooting out of your church the many fragile priests who prey on post-pubescent boys. Pray not prey.”
World leaders being publicly dismissive of one another does not promote dialogue, understanding, and improvement of international relations. I realize being publicly dismissive seems to be a special gift of Mr. Trump, but it is not beneficial for world peace.

My first thoughts when I heard this story were 1) What else is going on in the administration that Mr. Trump would like to divert attention away from, into a new international controversy and 2) What are the Evangelicals that want Jerusalem recognized as the Capital going to do for Trump because he has come out with this position?
 
so you think they should have waited because the mobilization was for a peaceful purpose?
I was not stating an opinion, just responding to the history being discussed in the thread.
President Trump seems to be the voodoo doll of the left.
What nefarious thing has Mrs. Hillary been up to this week? (Hint she hasn’t held office in 5 years) 😉
 
So for you its normal when Palestinian villages were deliberately destroyed, civilians were massacred, and millions of men, women, and children were expelled from their homes at gunpoint" its not ethnic cleansing, its a Holy God, right?
 
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