Pope Francis drives a wedge between Catholic Church, GOP

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WonderAndAwe said:
Oh no, it’s almost like a religion founded by the Divine Logos Incarnate in the Roman-occupied Levant 2,000 years ago that now has its politically sovereign HQ located in the Italian Penninsula and holds that governments of this world are all flawed temporary placeholders for a coming Kingdom but still should be followed and respected so long as you pay to God what is His and to the worldly governments what is theirs DOESN’T believe in strictly abiding by the ideologies of the American Conservative Right!

Whodathunkit? :rolleyes:🤷
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🤷 What? I hope this does not say we should object to people who defend the right to life?
 
gracepoole said:
thehill.com/homenews/administration/228289-pope-francis-splits-with-gop#.VKPhCn9NteQ.twitter

Cuba, climate change, capitalism – not too surprising that the pontiff has ruffled some feathers.
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Yeah, but this is getting really old. The spinster American media just can’t do their homework when it comes to the Pope.

The only real exception is Cuba, because the Pope is personally involved with American foreign policy, and Cuban-Americans (many of whom are staunch republicans) are not happy with it because they feel he’s not looking at the situation holistically.
 
The Hill can write an article about Pope Francis driving a wedge between Catholic Church, GOP, fine, that’s better than being on the other side, might as well be taking orders from Satanic Cults. The other side, the dark side.
 
gracepoole said:
The number of Americans who actually watch MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc. is ridiculously small. I’m starting to guess that those who do often frequent these forums. But rest assured, most Americans aren’t clued in to any of that nonsense – from liberals or conservatives.
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I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC, but FOX works quite hard to assess all points of view, and I think those who don’t watch FOX NEWS shouldn’t be making all sorts of rash judgements about that network. It’s also obvious they are very successful and Bill O’Reilly has even gotten to points of beating out prime-time news that is not even on cable.
 
gracepoole said:
The number of Americans who actually watch MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc. is ridiculously small. I’m starting to guess that those who do often frequent these forums. But rest assured, most Americans aren’t clued in to any of that nonsense – from liberals or conservatives.
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You are %100 right here.

I’ve said it before but I will again.

CAF and the views expressed do not resemble what you come into contact with at your local parish. Folks just don’t think about this stuff.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC, but FOX works quite hard to assess all points of view, and I think those who don’t watch FOX NEWS shouldn’t be making all sorts of rash judgements about that network. It’s also obvious they are very successful and Bill O’Reilly has even gotten to points of beating out prime-time news that is not even on cable.
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Fox News is a big part of the problem. Thank you, Richard Nixon.
 
SuperLuigi said:
I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC, but FOX works quite hard to assess all points of view, and I think those who don’t watch FOX NEWS shouldn’t be making all sorts of rash judgements about that network. It’s also obvious they are very successful and Bill O’Reilly has even gotten to points of beating out prime-time news that is not even on cable.
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Fox routinely doubles CNN and MSNBC viewers, Fox routinely has more viewers than both combined, check the demographics and I don’t even watch Fox all that much.

But if planes go missing, CNN does do a good job being right on the story and live.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Yeah, but this is getting really old. The spinster American media just can’t do their homework when it comes to the Pope.
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Spinster it may be, but surely if the Pope thought that Americans were getting the wrong message, wouldn’t he have fired some of his own translators by now?
 
gracepoole said:
The number of Americans who actually watch MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc. is ridiculously small. I’m starting to guess that those who do often frequent these forums. But rest assured, most Americans aren’t clued in to any of that nonsense – from liberals or conservatives.
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You’re probably right but I hear Rush has a much wider audience than all of them combined. Not to mention other radio-talk hosts.
 
The major difference between America and the rest of the West may well be talk radio.
 
ProVobis said:
Spinster it may be, but surely if the Pope thought that Americans were getting the wrong message, wouldn’t he have fired some of his own translators by now?
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Except I don’t think it’s the fault of the translators. It’s the fault of the American media having to fit everything nicely into “Conservative”/“Republican” and “Progressive”/“Democratic” boxes. Look deeply at the whole of Catholic teaching - Pope Francis has not said one single thing that contradicts Catholic teaching - he’s, in fact, reiterated it over and over again.

His “Atheists could get to Heaven, too” line, well, according to Catholic teaching, it might be possible, depending on why a person is an atheist. His “who am I to judge” line when it comes to homosexuality… well, we can’t judge the state of someone’s immortal soul. JPII had even more scathing criticisms of unbridled capitalism than Francis has had - but “Conservatives” ignored them because of his condemnations of Communism. Quite simply, the deal with Pope Francis is that he’s said things that “Progressives” have spun to fit their agenda, and “Conservatives” have bought into that trap, hook, line, and sinker.

It’s true that he’s said things that have made “Conservatives” uncomfortable. But you know what? We all need to feel uncomfortable when hearing the Gospel message. It should shake us to our core. Because it’s when we feel uncomfortable that we realize that we need to do something. We have a choice. We can either crawl into our little comfortable holes - or we can listen, repent, and ask help from God to follow the teachings of the Gospel.
 
CAF and the views expressed do not resemble what you come into contact with at your local parish.
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:rolleyes:

There’s been enough whining about this alleged CAF bias. If one reads all the defense about so-called gay “marriage” and Islam, one may never guess this were a Catholic forum at first glance.

So to imply that this site is dominated by one ideology is absurd.
Folks just don’t think about this stuff.
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No, instead they tend to whine about both on and off of CAF, I’m sorry to say.
 
powerofk said:
It’s true that he’s said things that have made “Conservatives” uncomfortable. But you know what? We all need to feel uncomfortable when hearing the Gospel message. It should shake us to our core. Because it’s when we feel uncomfortable that we realize that we need to do something. We have a choice. We can either crawl into our little comfortable holes - or we can listen, repent, and ask help from God to follow the teachings of the Gospel.
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And I agree. However many of the Gospel passages seem to be getting misinterpreted as well. And how can we preach and spread the gospel when we don’t know it ourselves? We do need an unchanging, carefully-defined doctrine that doesn’t get corrupted into 30,000 denominations.
 
ProVobis said:
Spinster it may be, but surely if the Pope thought that Americans were getting the wrong message, wouldn’t he have fired some of his own translators by now?
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I don’t know if the Pope really understands American culture or the American media. It’s kind of hard to explain some of this stuff to non-Americans, and if you haven’t lived here, it may be difficult to understand.

I mean, Americans may be amazed at how different the UK or even Canada is from them.

I even think some of the European media outlets may be stunned at how loyal the American mainstream media has been to the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party. Of course, the Western EU media panders incessantly to Islam…but politics is a bit different.

It’s amazing how people forget that he’s Pope of Catholics in over 200 countries besides the USA.
 
It’s true that he’s said things that have made “Conservatives” uncomfortable. But you know what? We all need to feel uncomfortable when hearing the Gospel message. It should shake us to our core. Because it’s when we feel uncomfortable that we realize that we need to do something. We have a choice. We can either crawl into our little comfortable holes - or we can listen, repent, and ask help from God to follow the teachings of the Gospel.
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If you’re talking about giving to the poor, American conservatives do that four times as much as liberals, despite making less money overall.
 
We saw the Hill’s take, here seems to be an article in substance, similar to the Hill article.

But in the long term, analysts say, Democrats may pay something of a political price.
To soothe American Catholics, who may have grown suspicious of the church’s partnership with a liberal White House, the pope in the coming months and years is likely to zero in on fundamental disagreements with the Democratic Party on issues such as abortion and religious liberty, said Joseph Prud’homme, a political science professor and the director of the Institute for the Study of Religion, Politics, and Culture at Washington College.
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“I believe Francis will remind the faithful in his position as supreme pastor about what he has consistently said about life and religious liberty. I hope, and I expect, that he will, after these initiatives [on Cuba and climate change],* remind the faithful of the unending position of the church with respect to the sanctity of human life, the importance of religious liberty,”* Mr. Prud’homme said.
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Read more: washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/30/president-obama-sees-pope-francis-as-political-all/#ixzz3NXn0y72e
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SuperLuigi said:
I don’t know if the Pope really understands American culture or the American media. It’s kind of hard to explain some of this stuff to non-Americans, and if you haven’t lived here, it may be difficult to understand.

I mean, Americans may be amazed at how different the UK or even Canada is from them.

I even think some of the European media outlets may be stunned at how loyal the American mainstream media has been to the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party. Of course, the Western EU media panders incessantly to Islam…but politics is a bit different.

It’s amazing how people forget that he’s Pope of Catholics in over 200 countries besides the USA.
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Good points, especially the ones you make about English-speaking countries not exactly being ideologically (or linguistically, for that matter) in synch.
 
SuperLuigi said:
If you’re talking about giving to the poor, American conservatives do that four times as much as liberals, despite making less money overall.
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You said I was talking about giving money to the poor. If that’s what you think I meant, so be it. And it sounded a bit defensive. Pope Francis is no “Liberal”, and he’s no “Conservative”, either. But his point remains - people must not become objects, as all human beings are created in the image of God. Yet any and all economic systems have the ability to objectify, some worse than others.
 
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