Pope Francis: if you are in a state of mortal sin, you cannot receive Communion

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Annie said:
The difference is that Pope John Paul II gave very clear criteria for that allowance of reception of the Body and Blood of our Lord, and Pope Francis has not…
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I disagree, have you fully read AL?

In fact even JPII gave unheard of approvals to some active irregulars to receive Communion.
This had never been Magisterially taught before in the history of the Catholic Church as far as I am aware.
Nor did JPII declare that adulterers who declined to abstain had to cease cohabitating - rather he now tolerated their evil as still welcomed members of the Catholic Church. That also was very new. Before him it was usually excommunication (or all but) for the remarried.
 
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KMG said:
Pope Saint John Paul II NEVER “tolerated evil.” Period.
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Allowing civilly remarried adulterers to still cohabit, and not divorce, even when they refuse to abstain, and still welcome them into the Parish Community (rather than excommunicate as of old) sounds like toleration of evil to me.

I believe in the teaching of Indissolubility of Marriage. Allowing fellow parishioners to retain membership in Church when they are scandalising others by their ongoing and significant counter-witness (both by reason of the pretended marriage and the ongoing sexual activity) to that mainstay teaching looks like toleration of a significant evil to me.

Which just goes to show there are numerous exceptions in this matter. Pope Francis was not the first to change the Church’s approach in these matters.

While I don’t like it either, Jesus’s story of the darnell and the wheat shows there is more than one way to skin a cat and to bring sinners to grace than our small hearts and minds can realise or cope with.
 
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Just to clarify, when you say “declining to abstain,” you mean declining to abstain from sexual activity, not declining to abstain from the Eucharist, right?
 
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Annie said:
Just to clarify, when you say “declining to abstain,” you mean declining to abstain from sexual activity…
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That’s the usual code in these discussions.
 
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Those who divorce and remarry and do not abstain from sex can never receive Communion.
 
Actually, I think I have to bow out of this conversation due to other things going on. I appreciate your willingness to discuss this and other topics with us; thank you.
 
KMG said:
Those who divorce and remarry and do not abstain from sex can never receive Communion.
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Have you actually read AL or even VS in full? You seem to be speaking from significant lack of education or reading in these matters.

I really don’t understand why certain CAF members feel they have to exaggerate and universalise their extreme personal views into absolute universals for all time that are easily disproven :roll_eyes:.

In any case, the question you raised above was one of JPII allegedly never tolerating evil.
He clearly did. Would you like to address the example I gave you?
 
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Those who divorce and remarry and do not abstain from sex cannot receive Communion.

Stop insulting people as ignorant for stating perennial Church teaching.
 
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Great post from you.

I am going to copy it and put it in my files if you don’t mind.

Thanks for your hard work.

God bless.

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KMG said:
Those who divorce and remarry and do not abstain from sex cannot receive Communion.

Stop insulting people as ignorant for stating perennial Church teaching.
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It is not insulting people to state such if they are unaware of well known developments, if they have not read them, don’t want to read them, don’t want to rationally debate them or aren’t able to provide a clear Magisterial statement supporting their dated, personal always and everywhere set positions.

Your views are clearly in this box.

In any case, the question you raised above was one of JPII allegedly never tolerating evil.
He clearly did. Would you like to address the example I gave you?
 
I repeat, for the sake of curious readers. It is never permissible for a divorced and remarried Catholic to receive Communion if they are engaging in adulterous sex.
 
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Please provide “the curious” a clear recent magisterial quote to back up your erroneous universal.

If you cannot then your personal view really has zero credibility and you seem to have nothing to teach anybody. There are in fact well known exceptions now.
 
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There are no exceptions to permit Communion for adulterers. None whatsoever. Pope Francis has zero authority to allow Communion for adulterers; he cannot change perennial Church teaching.
 
BlackFriar said:
So my questions were:
By all means then explain the mistake in our natural reading of your response to the thread topic.
It went like this:
Topic: if you are in a state of mortal sin, you cannot receive Communion.
Imdaman: This goes for adultery also.
That either means:
(a) Those in adultery cannot receive Communion. Adultery is a mortal sin one should not recieve while in a state of mortal sin
(b) Adultery is a non-exempt example of mortal sin. I’m sorry not sure I understand your question here. Can a mortal sin be exempt in this way? and how?
Or both.
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my response in bold above.
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BlackFriar said:
Topic: if you are in a state of mortal sin, you cannot receive Communion.
Imdaman: This goes for adultery also.
That either means:
(a) Those in adultery cannot receive Communion. Adultery is a mortal sin one should not recieve while in a state of mortal sin
(b) Adultery is a non-exempt example of mortal sin. I’m sorry not sure I understand your question here. Can a mortal sin be exempt in this way? and how?
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If adultery is a personal mortal sin, robbing the soul of grace and so damning to hell if not ceased, how is it that you are unable to find anything in the CCC that clearly says this?

How is it that Pope Francis says the exact opposite in AL?
Have you actually read AL, do you know what it is?
Imdaman: **I would suspect a teenager who has been told and explained that masterbates is wrong is culpable for his [mortal] sin yes.
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You suspect? You are baldly stating on a public Catholic forum a somewhat pejorative conclusion re likely 80% of teenage boys (and all couples in second marriages) that they are without grace
and are despised by God if they don’t immediately change their ways.

Have you read the CCC at all. Have you yourself tried to objectively educate yourself in these theological matters at all? Are you aware that Pope Francis has taught the contrary in AL?

Why do you feel the need to make these extreme and negative comments about large numbers of people when you only “suspect”.

If you cannot back up your extreme and erroneous statements with quotes from the CCC perhaps you had better research your “suspect” a little more than you have to date.

When you say “adultery is a mortal sin” the above is indeed what you are saying.
Surely you meant to say “adultery and masturbation” are “the grave objective matter of a mortal sin”.
That’s quite the difference.
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My position is that of perennial Catholic dogma, and has been supported publicly by numerous bishops and cardinals.

The current pope does not have the authority to change perennial Catholic dogma.
 
Cardinal Burke said it best, “Discernment does not decide what is right and wrong.”
 
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