Pope Francis No Longer Vicar Of Christ?

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I recently came across this:


I find this “progression” or “evolution” (or insert whatever term you would like to call it) disturbing, I mean officially dropping the title Vicar Of Christ almost seems to be changing our traditional understanding of the role of the papacy (something I myself have been struggling with, so this doesn’t help matters), does it not?

What do y’all make of this?

PS: I’m not exactly sure what to post under, Traditional Catholicism seemed the best fit.
 
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Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ.

It seems as though he simply left out the title from the Pontifical Yearbook.

He has not denied that he is the Vicar of Christ but has simply not included it in his Yearbook.
 
CathBoy1 said:
What do y’all make of this?
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Yet another conspiracy theory from the Pope Francis Hate Club. And not a particularly interesting one at that.

Just ignore it. Life is too short to spend on silly conspiracy theories.
 
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From the recap of the article:

“Vicar of Jesus Christ” relegated to “historical title” in the Holy See’s official book that tells everybody who everyone is and what they do.”

Is this just a yearbook???

I mean, I understand from a traditional standpoint he is the Supreme Pontiff and so he is Vicar Of Jesus Christ, but why drop the title?
This accomplishes nothing other than to create confusion (as it has for me), I just cannot see one good reason for this move.
 
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I simply leave God’s Church to God.

Francis has reaffirmed Catholic Truth. I do not think it is necessary to get worked up about this.

His Holiness has done this. Trust His Holiness.
 
CathBoy1 said:
This accomplishes nothing other than to create confusion (as it has for me), I just cannot see one good reason for this move.
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The people who are pitching a fit about this are the same people who pitched a fit when Pope Benedict dropped the title of Patriarch of the West in 2006. And now many of them believe that Pope Emeritus Benedict is the true reigning Pope, and Pope Francis is an imposter.

Sorry, but there is no shortage of know-it-all conspiracy theorists who claim to know more about the Church and the Faith then people who have spent their whole lives studying it, like Pope Francis.

They don’t even deserve the title “armchair theologians”. They are just a bunch of clowns. They can be safely ignored.
 
Pope Francis neglected to include that specific title (among a list of his titles) in a yearly document. This means nothing special as far as I can tell.
Some people are now pointing to it and claiming Pope Francie is “abandoning” the title, and that this–somehow-- makes him-- what? Not the Pope? An antipope or heretic?

One more excuse to bash the Holy Father,. My advice: ignore it.
 
Yeah, it looks like they reworked the whole format of the page to put the titles at the end of the page instead of the beginning 🤷‍♂️ And saying it’s a “historical title” doesn’t mean it’s not still used.
 
It really makes you wonder what’s going on in that head of his. Why is he not including that name? Is he ashamed of it? Is he too humble for the title “Vicar of Christ”? Why all of the sudden now leave it out? Why not leave it out at the beginning of his pontificate?

It’s a very confusing move indeed. My boss, who is a Marine, taught me that I should be proud of the titles that I earn. Even if it’s a long title (Sergeant vs. Sergeant First Class in military terms) it’s still a title you put in the effort to earn. It’s like the President not wanting to be called President or Governor not wanting to be called Governor. It’s and confusing to say the least, among alot of things that has happened during this Pontificate.
 
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It really makes you wonder what’s going on in that head of his.
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If it bothers you that much, why not ask him? Why vent on a forum full of people who cannot know any more than you why Pope Francis makes any given decision?
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it’s still a title you put in the effort to earn.
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Really? Are you saying that he campaigned for the election? That he strove through his entire clerical career to one day gain the Papacy? If so, that’s news to me.
 
I think it’s worth mentioning that bishops of the other ancient sees (Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch and Constantinople) have a variety of titles which they legitimately claim but simply no longer regularly use. For example, the bishops of Alexandria were historically titled “the Ecumenical Judge”.
 
Every Bishop is Vicar of Christ according to Vatican II. Pope in universal setting, Bishops in local one.
 
Wow. I didn’t realize that “Fr. Z” had gone full on anti-Francis. I stopped reading him years ago. Seems like that was a good decision.
 
I do not know why Pope Francis has decided to omit the title Vicar of Christ from the Annuario Pontifico. I do not believe it is simply a mistake in this year’s edition. Its exclusion from this list of the pope’s titles has to have been a deliberate decision. The only one who could make that decision is Pope Francis. I think he will have made that decision for a reason. His Holiness is not renowned for giving reasons for things. I believe the only way we will be able to understand why this title has been removed is to observe the pope’s actions and to carefully read his words over the next year.
 
maybe he just doesn’t like it. it doesn’t really matter though at all, the only thing that matters is the divine love and seeking it, or at least the desire to when we fail to. he is still the vicar, still the boss of things, and will be until his resignation/death, he can call himself the Aquaman or Batman, it changes nothing. if you are struggling with it pray for the pope and dont read any sites or blogs that cause you to worry, remember the loving words of Our Lord Jesus: “BE NOT AFRAID”

remember what his apostle to the Gentiles said too: Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.

think only of these things, anything not this try to avoid. for the health of your own soul

I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. Psalm 101:3
 
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I didn’t realize that “Fr. Z” had gone full on anti-Francis.
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I wouldn’t say that he is, he is actually quite against “Francis Bashing”.
But he is unafraid to point things out that he views as wrong.

While on the subject, it almost seems to me that anyone who criticizes something any recent pope (Francis included) does, is automatically labeled as against the pope.
I don’t understand why this happens, I mean even popes are only human and as such not every single thing they do or say is absolutely 100% correct.

Now I get that there are some legitimate “pope bashers” out there, but I don’t see how if one honestly and wholeheartedly disagrees with something that a pope says or does (that maybe objectively wrong) is automatically labeled “anti-Francis”.

Just my 2 cents.
 
CathBoy1 said:
I wouldn’t say that he is, he is actually quite against “Francis Bashing”.
But he is unafraid to point things out that he views as wrong.
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LOL, seriously? That article accuses the Pope of demonology! You don’t think that qualifies as bashing?
 
Yeah I was a big fan of his blog years ago during the +Benedict era. Over the course of +Francis’ papacy, his blog has taken a disturbing course on some fronts. I still enjoy his liturgical insights, but the political / criticize Francis / criticize bishops posts are not encouraging. I was particularly disturbed by his decision not to quash “Francis is an antipope” talk in his comments section.
 
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Wow. I didn’t realize that “Fr. Z” had gone full on anti-Francis. I stopped reading him years ago. Seems like that was a good decision.
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Yep. Even just a few years ago, I enjoyed reading him from time to time, but I slowly fazed him out after he started getting closer and closer to the deep end.
 
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