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Bill_Martin
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Someone should write the Pope a letter asking him to clarify.
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goout
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Living in the grey and bland midwest:
It seems to me the opposite extreme more frequently is present, a tepid and bland evangelization that presents no firm convictions other than to live a good life (yes that is important). Bishop Barron has characterized this as “beige Catholicism”.
This is changing as a new generation of priests arrive, thank God. And as laity rediscover the call to a convicted faith.
To summarize, in the midwest US where I live, rigidity is not the problem. Worldliness, maybe.
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JimG
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Where I live, I have not noticed any blandness or tepidity, for that matter, among the new priests and seminarians. They are strong in faith and in evangelization. I don’t understand what “rigidity” is supposed to convey with respect to priests, seminarians, or the laity. Does it mean holding traditional and orthodox Catholic beliefs? Is it applied to priests who wear cassocks? I don’t understand. If it means non-compassionate and mean spirited, I haven’t met any.
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ctb95
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I see what you did there.Someone should write the Pope a letter asking him to clarify.
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St_Francis
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Yeah, I don’t really associate worldliness with rigidity in Catholicism!
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fin
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edwest2
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Yes, that has been the problem, but gradually, with God’s help, the Church began to draw in those it needs and always needed.
ncregister.com/daily-news/benedicts-men-u.s.-vocations-strengthen-during-his-eight-year-papacy
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Tantum_ergo
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Did anyone besides me find that entire anecdote to be offensive to gay men, to women, to young people, especially young religious, and to traditionally-minded people (and I’m not speaking strictly of Catholics here)?
I wonder what that ‘older priest’ and Pope Francis would think of the Colonial re-enactors I know, especially the men who get all ‘dolled up’ in their silks and laces, buckled shoes, and who spend days and weeks re-enacting lives and battles of 250 years ago. You want ‘rigid’? You don’t even use a machine to run up the costumes, you hand sew them, with as close to period fabric as you can get. These people are passionate about history and about trying to bring it to life for generations to come, and they want the details to be accurate because accuracy matters.
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abucs
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Not me either St.Francis. In fact i see it as exactly the opposite.
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carn
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I am not certain to what extent laypeople and also people in Church hierachy would agree with the claim, that accuracy matters.
That’s because usually i would expect that people for whom accuracy matters would tend to answer questions based on the notion, that their position needs clarification, from people who also seem to care about accuracy in the clearest possible manner, cause if accuracy matters it also matters to resolve any perceived lack of clarity.
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carn
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Might it also be applicable to people asking questions?Don’t know about anyone else, but the oft-repeated (and misquoted) “Who am I to judge?” line is circling round and round my brain from all this.
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pnewton
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In my experience it is more of a problem with the laity. I have known several preachers though that fall into the role he describes as well. I think there is a message from the Pope we can all take to heart, as most of use here are active lay people.
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o_mlly
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The issue is not the state of the young priest’s soul but the objective scandal his behavior causes. This perspective by the Holy Father is not new. He has spoken against priests’ excessive officiousness as both unnecessary and unbecoming to their pastoral calling.Don’t know about anyone else, but the oft-repeated (and misquoted) “Who am I to judge?” line is circling round and round my brain from all this.
zenit.org/articles/pope-francis-avoid-the-scandal-of-being-airport-bishops/
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carn
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I think my wife often considers it to be objective scandal that i do not spend enough time looking into a mirror, especially when buying clothing (actually, why use a mirror there? either it fits my size and roughly does not look horrible and its fine).
Considering a priest can never be blessed in such respect by lovely and compassionate advice from a wife, it might be even prudent for priests to be more concerned about looking into the mirror than the average male human (also in absence of such advice a strictly adhered protocol regarding bathing and shaving might even be prudent).
So the amount of information about the respective priest seem to be insufficient to realy come to the conclusion that he spends too much time with mirrors.
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7_Sorrows
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Don’t know about anyone else, but the oft-repeated (and misquoted) “Who am I to judge?” line is circling round and round my brain from all this.
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o_mlly
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Don’t know about anyone else, but the oft-repeated (and misquoted) “Who am I to judge?” line is circling round and round my brain from all this.
The difference between you and a primping-in-public priest is that he holds an office in the Church hierarchy. A better comparison would be a father effeminately primping himself in the mirror in front of his children.
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graciew
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I read it differently… This young seminarian or priest was dreaming of becoming a functionary in the Vatican . As his aspiration. Disconnected from reality at his age in terms of mission.
Yes,the image of a 25 y.o trying on a velvet wide cape and a Saturn must have been somehow " theatrical" ,unreal.
Also in contrast with the Monsignor who went to buy basics .
The mirror returned approval…he added the hat…Monsignor had to make him " land" somehow…
That is just how I read it.
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o_mlly
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Careerism? When asked how many priests worked in the Vatican, Saint John XXIII is reported to reply, “About half.”
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graciew
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Yes,I thought of careerism…If you get to work there,you get. It looked as if he had a distorted image.
Yes,it may have been careerism what I was thinking of,you know…So perhaps so did I have a distorted image about the passage
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