Pope Francis: rigidity, worldliness a disaster for priests

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The difference between you and a primping-in-public priest is that he holds an office in the Church hierarchy. A better comparison would be a father effeminately primping himself in the mirror in front of his children.
I love the way in which people are so ready to take the word of a person whose perception**** of the young priest was that he was ‘primping/effeminate’ and who have absolutely no idea of what the young priest himself was thinking. That older priest never even bothered to talk with the priest he went on to pillory and sneer at.

I honestly thought better of most people. Silly me! I thought that people were ‘innocent until proven guilty’. I thought that people didn’t make snap judgments by appearance --and not even their own perception of appearance at that!-- but wanted to be fair and hear both sides of the story. I thought that most people, if they couldn’t say something nice about somebody, wouldn’t say it at all, and certainly wouldn’t gossip or snark. I certainly thought that priests of all people would be more merciful and respectful of all and certainly their brother priests.

Well, I guess that in this, as in so many other things in modern society, I’m just ‘wrong again’. I guess more people than I thought don’t really care about being fair, or kind; they only care about mocking anyone or anything that doesn’t lockstep to their own personal worldview. ( I do not mean the posters about this personally. I am using the 'universal 'people, not making a specific personal response.)

I’m not surprised that Jesus asked “If the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?” He probably won’t find much, and it looks as if He won’t find much in the way of love, either. And it is going to be darn tough, I think, for Him to find hope in the face of so much negativity and meanness, but with HIM all things are possible.
 
Might it also be applicable to people asking questions?
A good point.

However, I see posing questions as a means of trying to clarify and avoid casting an unfounded judgement.
 
That older priest never even bothered to talk with the priest he went on to pillory and sneer at.
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Perhaps he did talk,we do not know. And he didn t sneer at him because it says " with pain".
You are right that we are not to be mean.
The passage is about priests,which I am.not, and I may not even capture the meaning of the cloak with a chain nor anything much about it all.So it was perhaps unnecessary to say anything.
Please ,do not get upset…
 
I love the way in which people are so ready to take the word of a person whose perception**** of the young priest was that he was ‘primping/effeminate’ and who have absolutely no idea of what the young priest himself was thinking. That older priest never even bothered to talk with the priest he went on to pillory and sneer at.
We judge the act; not the actor. Scandal is always found in the act and is all the more serious when the actor is a person of authority, and even grave if that authority is as a teacher. Jesus took issue with the Pharisees and their penchant for ostentatious dress. See Matthew 23:5. This was a teaching moment for the Holy Father. That’s his job as our prophet-in-chief.

CCC Respect for the souls of others: scandal

2284 Scandal is an attitude or **behavior **which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. …Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized… Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or **office are obliged to teach **and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.86

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.
 
The message is clear: when trying on capes, use a private changing room. The cape should fit, but to be observed reviewing the fit of the cape - it is so womanly. It should not be done. A man’s cape should fit perfectly, but - more importantly - it should appear to be effortless. Rigid men must learn to embrace the private changing room.

Then, when they have their cape, they can play with children without worrying about their appearance. This is a very important lesson for the entire cosplay community.

Wear your cape, play with children - but without a second thought as to your appearance. This is manly style!
 
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In my case,I was reading passages with its characters trying to understand the passage In its context. I didn t even see scandal,if you ask me. It was shop for clergy…and it doesn t say there were other persons around.
Anyway,there is this talk among persons who share a common activity/vocation where the meaning may be hard to grasp.
I have no idea who wears that sort of cape and it is my imagination that high rank functionaries in the Vatican may wear them .I do not know. It may even not come to the point.
I wasn t judging,just analyzing passages trying to understand .
So,probably useless contribution and I apologize if any feeling was hurt because of anything I may have written. My mistake.
 
A priest or seminarian buying clerical garments in a clerical shop in a place where such clothing is commonly worn is no scandal. A cape of the sort described is intended to keep you warm. One wouldn’t wear it in a hot climate.
 
We judge the act; not the actor. Scandal is always found in the act and is all the more serious when the actor is a person of authority, and even grave if that authority is as a teacher. Jesus took issue with the Pharisees and their penchant for ostentatious dress. See Matthew 23:5. This was a teaching moment for the Holy Father. That’s his job as our prophet-in-chief.

CCC Respect for the souls of others: scandal

2284 Scandal is an attitude or **behavior **which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. …Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized… Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or **office are obliged to teach **and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.86

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.
I disagree with you here.

First, what ‘scandal’ is there in the priest trying on clothing in a ‘shop for clergy’? Who does he scandalize by his 'actions?" Another priest who apparently did not even try to speak to him? A priest who THOUGHT that the actions were effeminate and who then used a mocking joke to 'deal with it?" How is that possibly helpful to anyone?

If this really was such a scandal then the priest should have dealt with it or expressed sorrow or worry, not made it into a joke.

Again, I cannot understand the rush to call out a person (the young priest) who is never allowed to speak for himself.

If I were a young priest, and I was checking out necessary clothing, clothing which is not cheap and would need to last, I would certainly look (especially in a store which was for clergy only where I knew I would not be disturbing lay people) at everything thoroughly to make sure I was getting what would be most appropriate and best fitting because I’d be wearing it for years.

Such a fuss because some older priest didn’t like the choices of another priest. There is a lot more that one could say, psychologically speaking, of the words, and the actions, of that older priest, which he clearly presents, and it isn’t necessarily pretty. But I am not going to make that judgment, I am just going to note that a not-so-favorable interpretation of that older priest’s words and actions is just as probable, if not more so, than the ‘not-so-favorable’ interpretation of the younger priest’s actions which are presented SECOND HAND from the older priest.
 
I still can’t decide if the joke “And who says the Church does not allow women priests” best fits the man who is supposedly playing dress up in front of a mirror, or the one who is judging another person by what they are trying on, how they look, and how much time they spend in front of the mirror, or the one (with all due respect to the Holy Father) who decides to spread judgmental gossip about the looks of a person trying on a new outfit in a clothing store. :rotfl:
 
I wonder what that ‘older priest’ and Pope Francis would think of the Colonial re-enactors I know, especially the men who get all ‘dolled up’ in their silks and laces, buckled shoes, and who spend days and weeks re-enacting lives and battles of 250 years ago. You want ‘rigid’? You don’t even use a machine to run up the costumes, you hand sew them, with as close to period fabric as you can get. These people are passionate about history and about trying to bring it to life for generations to come, and they want the details to be accurate because accuracy matters.
I am not a historical re-enactor.

I also do not live in the past.

I also do not have a nostalgia for the past.

I am also very glad that my clerical attire, in fact, takes into account modern fabrics and modern methods of construction. It has made life simpler.

In fact, I greatly prefer what I have, which has been made since the invention and use of Velcro as but one example, to what was from years past. I am at an age when I am cognizant of how what I wear today has been improved from what was available 50 years ago – and I am very happy for the improvements.
 
I love the way in which people are so ready to take the word of a person whose perception of the young priest was that he was ‘primping/effeminate’ and who have absolutely no idea of what the young priest himself was thinking. That older priest never even bothered to talk with the priest he went on to pillory and sneer at

I honestly thought better of most people. Silly me! I thought that people were ‘innocent until proven guilty’. I thought that people didn’t make snap judgments by appearance --and not even their own perception of appearance at that!-- but wanted to be fair and hear both sides of the story. I certainly thought that priests of all people would be more merciful and respectful of all and certainly their brother priests
First, what ‘scandal’ is there in the priest trying on clothing in a ‘shop for clergy’? Who does he scandalize by his 'actions?" Another priest who apparently did not even try to speak to him? A priest who THOUGHT that the actions were effeminate and who then used a mocking joke to 'deal with it?" How is that possibly helpful to anyone?

If this really was such a scandal then the priest should have dealt with it or expressed sorrow or worry, not made it into a joke

Again, I cannot understand the rush to call out a person (the young priest) who is never allowed to speak for himself

If I were a young priest, and I was checking out necessary clothing, clothing which is not cheap and would need to last, I would certainly look (especially in a store which was for clergy only where I knew I would not be disturbing lay people) at everything thoroughly to make sure I was getting what would be most appropriate and best fitting because I’d be wearing it for years

Such a fuss because some older priest didn’t like the choices of another priest
Frankly, as a priest, I find the comments in this thread remarkable – speculating about things as if they knew, yet with no practical experience, and moreover so little comprehension of what the Holy Father was actually saying in his homily

To address various points: if the priest were not of my diocese/entrusted to my supervision, no, I would not speak to him. That’s for one with oversight of him, not others

I know Euroclero well – as does any priest who has been in Rome. It is, after all, located across the street from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I’ve picked up items there on occasion due to it being convenient although I do my shopping elsewhere in Rome where I’ve a broader selection and the advantage of several different stores to make purchases, allowing for price variability and item availability

It’s hardly a store only frequented by clergy…in every instance I’m there, I find more laity buying rosaries and other such items than I do bishops, priests and seminarians

Personally, I’m most grateful for this Pope’s personal example as well as his admonitions, like this one, and his denunciations of excesses when it comes to the clergy…something which has been quite needed of late…but also which is something he notably continues from Blessed Pope Paul VI and Pope Saint John Paul II as they simplified what clergy wear. The silk simar and its accessories, for example, are consigned to the past, happily. As we focus on poverty and simplicity, that’s where such trappings need to be consigned and where they best remain; I don’t miss them in the least. Quite the opposite

I am quite pleased, for example, to have seen the transition from my youth to today…from pectoral crosses and rings of prelates of precious metals set with rubies, emeralds, sapphires or other precious stones to the pectoral cross and ring of Pope Francis, as an example…silver and devoid of precious stones but with simple engravings

Any priest who has actually done formation work knows extremely well and exactly the syndrome of which the Holy Father and the Monsignor allude. An over-fascination or interest in these baubles and externals should cause concern to any priest who is responsible for making determinations relative to formation. What the Pope describes is something to be extirpated

When we are talking about the Saturno, we are talking about a hat, that in terms of American currency, would cost over $200.00, especially those made of furs, as they were made, while the cape the Pope is speaking of can easily cost in excess of $300.00 or $400.00. They are the sort of items the wearing of which send a message of affectation and should cause concern. They’re also, practically, really not that useful or utilitarian

Personally, I wear a wool or rain coat which keeps me actually much warmer than the cape would and costs a fraction of the price and, unlike the cape, I wear over the soutane as well as the clerical suit. The same is true for the hat that I wear. Lest I be thought to be somehow out of step, I hasten to add a photo of Karol Cardinal Wojtyła whose selections very much reflect my own

I don’t choose something antiquated and from another century that, as I said, sends its own signal, and violates that sense of poverty and simplicity which has ever increasingly marked ecclesiastical wear since Blessed Pope Paul’s simplification.

I would regard a cleric attiring himself in the way the Pope described in his homily rather as I would a cleric who came in wearing a coat made of fur. Many of us, of a certain age, have items from a bygone era that we inherited from deceased confreres who were ordained years or decades before us and in days when such items were normal wear, just as my grandparents in the 19th century had their own type of attire; in both cases they are more items appropriate to a museum than today’s use. That’s entirely different from a man in his 20s acquiring these things
 
Just so long as we don’t start making our churches modern, simple, and ugly… Oh, wait.

I’m an artistic person. (And besides, I studied apparel design. My capstone project was a line of chasubles, and this in a secular college. It was a great opportunity to teach people that all the colors and such aren’t completely arbitrary.)

People like me are starved for something a little other than drab and dreary. I see both sides to the argument. It’s important we don’t always mistake taste for morality. (Yeah, I’m not big on the hats or whatever, but I am a firm believer in the superiority of capes over boring Western coats 😉 .)

Garb is a fascinating subject, culturally speaking.
 
Frankly, as a priest, I find the comments in this thread remarkable – speculating about things as if they knew, yet with no practical experience, and moreover so little comprehension of what the Holy Father was actually saying in his homily

To address various points: if the priest were not of my diocese/entrusted to my supervision, no, I would not speak to him. That’s for one with oversight of him, not others

I know Euroclero well – as does any priest who has been in Rome. It is, after all, located across the street from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I’ve picked up items there on occasion due to it being convenient although I do my shopping elsewhere in Rome where I’ve a broader selection and the advantage of several different stores to make purchases, allowing for price variability and item availability

It’s hardly a store only frequented by clergy…in every instance I’m there, I find more laity buying rosaries and other such items than I do bishops, priests and seminarians

Personally, I’m most grateful for this Pope’s personal example as well as his admonitions, like this one, and his denunciations of excesses when it comes to the clergy…something which has been quite needed of late…but also which is something he notably continues from Blessed Pope Paul VI and Pope Saint John Paul II as they simplified what clergy wear. The silk simar and its accessories, for example, are consigned to the past, happily. As we focus on poverty and simplicity, that’s where such trappings need to be consigned and where they best remain; I don’t miss them in the least. Quite the opposite

I am quite pleased, for example, to have seen the transition from my youth to today…from pectoral crosses and rings of prelates of precious metals set with rubies, emeralds, sapphires or other precious stones to the pectoral cross and ring of Pope Francis, as an example…silver and devoid of precious stones but with simple engravings

Any priest who has actually done formation work knows extremely well and exactly the syndrome of which the Holy Father and the Monsignor allude. An over-fascination or interest in these baubles and externals should cause concern to any priest who is responsible for making determinations relative to formation. What the Pope describes is something to be extirpated

When we are talking about the Saturno, we are talking about a hat, that in terms of American currency, would cost over $200.00, especially those made of furs, as they were made, while the cape the Pope is speaking of can easily cost in excess of $300.00 or $400.00. They are the sort of items the wearing of which send a message of affectation and should cause concern. They’re also, practically, really not that useful or utilitarian

Personally, I wear a wool or rain coat which keeps me actually much warmer than the cape would and costs a fraction of the price and, unlike the cape, I wear over the soutane as well as the clerical suit. The same is true for the hat that I wear. Lest I be thought to be somehow out of step, I hasten to add a photo of Karol Cardinal Wojtyła whose selections very much reflect my own
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fc/3f/0b/fc3f0be45f51eddc6b44b58657ffebff.jpg
I don’t choose something antiquated and from another century that, as I said, sends its own signal, and violates that sense of poverty and simplicity which has ever increasingly marked ecclesiastical wear since Blessed Pope Paul’s simplification.

I would regard a cleric attiring himself in the way the Pope described in his homily rather as I would a cleric who came in wearing a coat made of fur. Many of us, of a certain age, have items from a bygone era that we inherited from deceased confreres who were ordained years or decades before us and in days when such items were normal wear, just as my grandparents in the 19th century had their own type of attire; in both cases they are more items appropriate to a museum than today’s use. That’s entirely different from a man in his 20s acquiring these things
I appreciate your comments on this, Father. As a lay person, I would comment that these choices of items from a bygone era have another effect on me.

Pope Francis, and indeed all the modern Popes, have emphasized the relationship between clergy and laity. Francis talks of shepherds that smell of their sheep, and the Church emphasizes the appropriate role of the laity in the Body of Christ.

As a lay person, these appeals to a more “regal” era seem to me to reflect a longing for a past (perhaps an imagined past) in which the clergy were as royalty and the laity as their subjects. Perhaps it is only a style, but, to me, it is not a style that reflects a desire to smell of the sheep, to live among the people, and to be one with the people. Just my own opinion as a lay person, but I would suggest that many of us feel the same.
 
Frankly, as a priest, I find the comments in this thread remarkable – speculating about things as if they knew, yet with no practical experience, and moreover so little comprehension of what the Holy Father was actually saying in his homily

To address various points: if the priest were not of my diocese/entrusted to my supervision, no, I would not speak to him. That’s for one with oversight of him, not others

I know Euroclero well – as does any priest who has been in Rome. It is, after all, located across the street from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I’ve picked up items there on occasion due to it being convenient although I do my shopping elsewhere in Rome where I’ve a broader selection and the advantage of several different stores to make purchases, allowing for price variability and item availability

It’s hardly a store only frequented by clergy…in every instance I’m there, I find more laity buying rosaries and other such items than I do bishops, priests and seminarians

Personally, I’m most grateful for this Pope’s personal example as well as his admonitions, like this one, and his denunciations of excesses when it comes to the clergy…something which has been quite needed of late…but also which is something he notably continues from Blessed Pope Paul VI and Pope Saint John Paul II as they simplified what clergy wear. The silk simar and its accessories, for example, are consigned to the past, happily. As we focus on poverty and simplicity, that’s where such trappings need to be consigned and where they best remain; I don’t miss them in the least. Quite the opposite

I am quite pleased, for example, to have seen the transition from my youth to today…from pectoral crosses and rings of prelates of precious metals set with rubies, emeralds, sapphires or other precious stones to the pectoral cross and ring of Pope Francis, as an example…silver and devoid of precious stones but with simple engravings

Any priest who has actually done formation work knows extremely well and exactly the syndrome of which the Holy Father and the Monsignor allude. An over-fascination or interest in these baubles and externals should cause concern to any priest who is responsible for making determinations relative to formation. What the Pope describes is something to be extirpated

When we are talking about the Saturno, we are talking about a hat, that in terms of American currency, would cost over $200.00, especially those made of furs, as they were made, while the cape the Pope is speaking of can easily cost in excess of $300.00 or $400.00. They are the sort of items the wearing of which send a message of affectation and should cause concern. They’re also, practically, really not that useful or utilitarian

Personally, I wear a wool or rain coat which keeps me actually much warmer than the cape would and costs a fraction of the price and, unlike the cape, I wear over the soutane as well as the clerical suit. The same is true for the hat that I wear. Lest I be thought to be somehow out of step, I hasten to add a photo of Karol Cardinal Wojtyła whose selections very much reflect my own
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/fc/3f/0b/fc3f0be45f51eddc6b44b58657ffebff.jpg
I don’t choose something antiquated and from another century that, as I said, sends its own signal, and violates that sense of poverty and simplicity which has ever increasingly marked ecclesiastical wear since Blessed Pope Paul’s simplification.

I would regard a cleric attiring himself in the way the Pope described in his homily rather as I would a cleric who came in wearing a coat made of fur. Many of us, of a certain age, have items from a bygone era that we inherited from deceased confreres who were ordained years or decades before us and in days when such items were normal wear, just as my grandparents in the 19th century had their own type of attire; in both cases they are more items appropriate to a museum than today’s use. That’s entirely different from a man in his 20s acquiring these things
There are those examples of artistic talent and craftmanship reminiscent of bygone eras that I do admire, and Father Ruggero’s elegant writing would be among them.
 
When I read this I am reminded of the kappa magna. Never been a fan of that thing- way to ostentatious.
 
It seems to me that wordliness is something that cuts all ways into a person’s perspective.
The exhortations of the Gospel are not against wealth itself, but the preoccupation with it.
If a person has an inclination to praise God or represent the Church with a particular item of clothing then why should he or she be criticised? (of course it is the Pope’s prerogative and authority to do this, not mine).

Many times the calling out of clothing, or fine Church architecture and decoration, is itself a preoccupation with wordliness. The person wearing a fine hat must answer to the Lord as to his or her intentions. It’s not my place to judge his intentions based on how much he spent on a hat.

And it occurs to me that just as being ostentatious is harmful so is a false sense of humility which sets too much stock in appearances.
I have plenty of jeans with holes in the knees. I could wear them to work to prove I am a humble working man who is not too proud, but that would be false to my vocation.
My vocation is to be the best at what I do and my dress reflects that, to wake up in the morning and put the best clothing on that I have to do my job. (I don’t always succeed at this)
I think in the world of younger priests we see an attempt to recapture this sense of explicit ministry that is visible to the world. That is a good thing in this day.
 
And it occurs to me that just as being ostentatious is harmful so is a false sense of humility which sets too much stock in appearances.
An observation worthy of note. Styles and the like come and go only to invariably return in some updated fashion or other. If “a false sense of humility which sets too much stock in appearances” is to only participate in a fad, it seems to me it would be legitimate to similarly question its sincerity. This is not to say there is no genuine behavior in this respect.
 
It seems to me that wordliness is something that cuts all ways into a person’s perspective. …
The Church also realizes that in working out her relationship with the world she always has great need of the ripening which comes with the experience of the centuries. Led by the Holy Spirit, Mother Church unceasingly exhorts her sons “to purify and renew themselves so that the sign of Christ can shine more brightly on the face of the Church.”
THE CHURCH IN THE
MODERN WORLD

The Church is called to be over, and at times, against the world.

In the third and fourth centuries, the Church commenced the work of adapting itself to the conditions of the world. The Romans, who had a genius for law and governance, conquered the world, but, in a sense, their Greek captives culturally conquered them.

By the third century, Christianity began to spread. The loss of appeal of the Graeco-Roman paganism brought on by the advances of Greek rational monotheism made Christianity attractive to both the rich and poor, educated and illiterate. By the early fourth century the number of Christians had so increased that some form of recognition became inevitable. Legally tolerated by Constantine’s Edict of Milan (313), Christianity quickly flourished in the following decades becoming the imperial religion in 381 under Emperor Theodosius. In just four centuries, Christianity had triumphed over its external enemies, and begun a new relationship with the world, a relationship, no longer apart from, but very much in the world

Early Christianity developed a visible human organization, known as clergy, primarily to administer the sacraments. These successors to the twelve apostles came to be called bishops and, under their leadership, the Church grew organically for the first four centuries. Bishops and their helpers, presbyters and deacons, instructed and baptized the catechumens bringing them into the community. The new members in time catechized others and the movement grew at a natural geometric rate. Theodosius’ action, however, accelerated Christianity’s growth rate (being Christian now had positive political consequences; not being Christian, negative consequences) beyond the organization’s ability to indoctrinate newcomers in the ordinary way. As a result, new members were poorly formed in the faith, and heresies resulted. The Church, to protect its unity, responded by centralizing its authority.

In need of an infrastructure to support and defend its newfound “empire,” the Church simulated the best working institutional structure of its time. The foundations for European civilization, a Graeco-Roman-Christian civilization, are now set.

The chaos of the fifth and sixth centuries will plunge the Church even more into the world. The collapse of the Western Roman Empire made the Church the only viable political system providing not only order, but also preserving and extending Graeco-Roman-Christian civilization to the invading barbarians. The fact that it was Pope Leo the Great, not the Emperor, who in 451 went out to persuade Attila the Hun to not ransack Rome testifies to the slippage of the imperial government in Italy and the emergence of the Bishop of Rome as its successor.

Fast-forward a millenium to December 1549—four years into the eighteen-year long Council of Trent called by Pope Paul III. The conclave of cardinals vote to choose the successor of this Farnese pope, a man of the Renaissance who fathered four children and three grandchildren (two already made cardinals between the ages of fourteen and sixteen). The Church in the world, unfortunately, failed to remain unadulterated by the world. The Church’s hierarchy, the episcopacy and papacy, had become outrageously worldly. Pettiness, smugness and sloppiness characterized the institutional Church’s millenium long entanglement in the world.

The Protestant Revolt, instigated in part by Pope Leo X’s excommunication of Martin Luther in 1521, induced the Counter-Reformation or Catholic Reformation. Prior to the confrontation with Luther, the reform had only a moral focus. With Luther’s claim that the Pope suppressed the gospel by encouraging the “embezzlement” of heaven, the Counter-Reformation not only had to work to restore holiness to Church personnel but also had to address the doctrinal assertions made by Protestants. Purging itself of the worldly influences that corrupted its hierarchy, the Church began the process of making the occurrence of the worldly bishop and the ignorant priest a rarity. The Catholic reformation begins a process of detachment with the world and ushers in a new ecclesiology redefining the Church as over, and at times, against the world.
 
When we are talking about the Saturno, we are talking about a hat, that in terms of American currency, would cost over $200.00, especially those made of furs, as they were made, while the cape the Pope is speaking of can easily cost in excess of $300.00 or $400.00. They are the sort of items the wearing of which send a message of affectation and should cause concern. They’re also, practically, really not that useful or utilitarian
Thank you for providing us with an relevant information, which every single poster here could have found by spending around 5 mins before forming on opinion not including this relevant information.

Reason is, shop name and location and at least item was mentioned, so anybody could and should have checked the price range we are talking about, as even shops in rome with a strong tendency to clothes for clerics are online nowadays and quick to find:

euroclero.it/ecom/store/catalog.ach/BB4A7056779D602/79////

“starting from Euro 155,00”(click italian in bottom left to see that “Roman Hats” are actually “Saturni” in case of doubt; slightly less than 200 dollar, but “starting” certainly means many for 200 dollar or more will be sold there, e.g. “Roman hat in beaver. starting from Euro 210,00 (VAT 20% included)” )

My comments above were mainly aimed at the use of mirrors, which i think is no problem in case of shopping necessary and/or reasonably priced in light of the prudent budget clothing.

Of course spending too much time in front of mirrors while shopping unnecessary and/or unreasonably expensive clothing would strongly hint at potential wrong attitudes; and “starting from 155 Euro” for just the hat might be such a case.

(Often repeated mental note to myself: ALWAYS check any issue for information, which can be used in a quick internet search for more insight into the issue at hand.)
 
The Church also realizes that in working out her relationship with the world she always has great need of the ripening which comes with the experience of the centuries. Led by the Holy Spirit, Mother Church unceasingly exhorts her sons “to purify and renew themselves so that the sign of Christ can shine more brightly on the face of the Church.”
THE CHURCH IN THE
MODERN WORLD

The Church is called to be over, and at times, against the world.
In the modern age, to be against the world means to explicitly stand for something. The modern world has exalted indifferentism, where a person’s vocation and/or faith should not be visible. Our culture has “dressed itself down” to a homogenized blandness, what Bp Barron calls “beige” in terms of the Catholic culture.

At the same time we struggle to recognize the unique value of every human being. Every human being has unique talents, vocations, needs.
We should live up to the call of these talents, vocations, needs, not try to live beneath them. If a person’s dress expresses his unique state in life, whatever that might be, he is counter cultural in this age.
 
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