Pope Francis: The Church needs more female theologians

[lerapt78]

The Church needs more good theologians.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I’ve been told that the contributions by Grace Hopper are irrelevant to computer science despite them being necessary for computing as we know it today.

 

[Xeyed818]

I found the quotes that I was paraphrasing (and pointing to) in an earlier post in this thread.

Very learned women are to be found, in the same manner as female warriors; but they are seldom or ever inventors. - Voltaire

The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of Reason. - Voltaire

It will never be possible by Pure Reason to arrive at some Absolute Truth. - Werner Heisenberg, Physics and Philosophy

Reason is poorly-lit Truth. (I don’t have an author listed.)

Presumably, these men have exchanged Reason for Truth, the Holy Spirit?

Which still doesn’t explain women on the Commission since my stash of ‘female quotes’ are less inviting. Such as,

“My mother told me I had a chameleon soul, no moral compass pointing due north, no fixed personality; just an inner indecisiveness that was as wide and as wavering as the ocean.” - Lana del Rey

And the above reminds me of the CS Lewis line in the last book (Prince Caspian) where Peter says, “That’s the problem with girls - you can’t carry a map in your heads.” I don’t know about all other women, but I resembled that remark.

PJ

 

[Havard]

I’ve been told that the contributions by Grace Hopper are irrelevant to computer science despite them being necessary for computing as we know it today.

Minimizing the accomplishments of a woman, because she is a woman, is pathetic and reflects poorly on that person. Plenty of us men are not chauvinists, though.

 

[simpleas]

I found the quotes that I was paraphrasing (and pointing to) in an earlier post in this thread.

Presumably, these men have exchanged Reason for Truth, the Holy Spirit?

Which still doesn’t explain women on the Commission since my stash of ‘female quotes’ are less inviting. Such as,

“My mother told me I had a chameleon soul, no moral compass pointing due north, no fixed personality; just an inner indecisiveness that was as wide and as wavering as the ocean.” - Lana del Rey

And the above reminds me of the CS Lewis line in the last book (Prince Caspian) where Peter says, “That’s the problem with girls - you can’t carry a map in your heads.” I don’t know about all other women, but I resembled that remark.

PJ

What I think in my tiny little mind, is women did not have the opportunities many years ago to get a “foot on the ladder” with like thinking men. If we talking about women inventing things and doing a mans job, look at what many women are doing now. They are mechanics, doctors, prime minsiters etc, many things that they would not have been 50=60 years ago. They seem to be on the road to working along side men rather than below them.

The map remark could be for anyone, male or female, I know women and men that are great at map reading and I know women and men who are not!
Just as some men aren’t good at DIY (maybe they lie lol) and some women are!

It’s about the person to me, not the gender

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

What I think in my tiny little mind, is women did not have the opportunities many years ago to get a “foot on the ladder” with like thinking men. If we talking about women inventing things and doing a mans job, look at what many women are doing now. They are mechanics, doctors, prime minsiters etc, many things that they would not have been 50=60 years ago. They seem to be on the road to working along side men rather than below them.

The map remark could be for anyone, male or female, I know women and men that are great at map reading and I know women and men who are not!
Just as some men aren’t good at DIY (maybe they lie lol) and some women are!

It’s about the person to me, not the gender

Funny thing is once upon a time women were blacksmiths, masons, carpenters, tanners, cobblers, fletchers, coopers, doctors and merchants, that long ago time of liberty for women was the Middle Ages.

 

[simpleas]

Funny thing is once upon a time women were blacksmiths, masons, carpenters, tanners, cobblers, fletchers, coopers, doctors and merchants, that long ago time of liberty for women was the Middle Ages.

So what went wrong?

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

So what went wrong?

The Enlightenment which gave us such things as racism and the belief that women are inferior to men.

 

[Xeyed818]

What I think in my tiny little mind, is women did not have the opportunities many years ago to get a “foot on the ladder” with like thinking men. If we talking about women inventing things and doing a mans job, look at what many women are doing now. They are mechanics, doctors, prime minsiters etc, many things that they would not have been 50=60 years ago. They seem to be on the road to working along side men rather than below them.

The map remark could be for anyone, male or female, I know women and men that are great at map reading and I know women and men who are not!
Just as some men aren’t good at DIY (maybe they lie lol) and some women are!

It’s about the person to me, not the gender

I don’t have any doubts about there being ‘spiritual combinations’ in both males and females. My interest just lies in the curious subject of this thread.

“Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes with which he or she was born.” - Jose Saramago

The above quote may give a less ‘sexist’ view, but I’ve found that looking at it in feminist terms isn’t helpful in the long run; such as: “Anything you can do, I can do equally well or better.” Just misses underlying spiritual considerations, to me, that have been emphasized (in many ways) in the Bible and the world…for a very long time.

Did you know that Jewish men thank God – daily – that they weren’t born women? As if God personally ‘passes sentence’ at conception…and things could have easily gone a very different way.

Do not weep; do not wax indignant. Understand. - Baruch Spinoza

(I don’t think we’ve gotten to that last part yet. )

PJ

 

[Xeyed818]

The Enlightenment which gave us such things as racism and the belief that women are inferior to men.

Both of these (and many other oddities) are reflected in the Bible - no revelations or other spiritual experiences required.

However, it did remind me of a quote:

“A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.” - William James

 

[Catholic_farmer]

There are women theologians. They teach at universities and run the educational side of dioceses. Certainly more women can get involved. I think women can give a great perspective as well as give the Church more credibility with young women, especially when they are professors of theology.

I don’t see this as a stepping stone for women becoming priests. There is no reason for that. Many positions previously filled by priests or sisters have been more recently filled by laypeople, including women. You see this in dioceses and Catholic schools as well as Catholic charities. You don’t need to be a priest to study theology and serve the Church. We certainly need priests in our parishes, but there are plenty of roles that laypeople have in the Church now, so there should be opportunities for both men and women who desire to study theology.

 

[Sarcelle]

The Enlightenment which gave us such things as racism and the belief that women are inferior to men.

Yes.

There is also a persistent belief that women are primarily ornaments, for the amusement of men.

There is also the persistent view that defines women solely on their reproductive abilities.

 

[AnimalSpirits]

The Enlightenment which gave us such things as racism and the belief that women are inferior to men.

Clearly everyone was holding hands and singing sounds right up until 1650.

And who’s your favorite enlightenment thinker? Mine is Paul the Apostle, who gave us such gems as “it is shameful for women to speak in church” and “wives submit to your husbands.”

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Clearly everyone was holding hands and singing sounds right up until 1650.

And who’s your favorite enlightenment thinker? Mine is Paul the Apostle, who gave us such gems as “it is shameful for women to speak in church” and “wives submit to your husbands.”

Before the Enlightenment women were considered equal and dignity and different in purpose; the Enlightenment gave us the idea that women were intellectual inferior and inferior in all other ways too. In the Middle Ages you had women doctors, plumbers, blacksmiths, tanners, cobblers, abbesses, teachers, merchants, etc. Blackstone enslaved women and made them property of husbands.

 

[AnimalSpirits]

Before the Enlightenment women were considered equal and dignity and different in purpose; the Enlightenment gave us the idea that women were intellectual inferior and inferior in all other ways too. In the Middle Ages you had women doctors, plumbers, blacksmiths, tanners, cobblers, abbesses, teachers, merchants, etc. Blackstone enslaved women and made them property of husbands.

Interesting how one party has to give obedience to the other- sounds like an unpleasant form of equality.

Talking about how things were in the medieval era is almost certain to end in failure- the time period stretches a thousand years and hundreds of autonomous regions. No doubt respect for women made a guest appearance.

But for a counter example:

historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval_women.htm

 

[simpleas]

I don’t have any doubts about there being ‘spiritual combinations’ in both males and females. My interest just lies in the curious subject of this thread.

“Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes with which he or she was born.” - Jose Saramago

The above quote may give a less ‘sexist’ view, but I’ve found that looking at it in feminist terms isn’t helpful in the long run; such as: “Anything you can do, I can do equally well or better.” Just misses underlying spiritual considerations, to me, that have been emphasized (in many ways) in the Bible and the world…for a very long time.

Did you know that Jewish men thank God – daily – that they weren’t born women? As if God personally ‘passes sentence’ at conception…and things could have easily gone a very different way.

Do not weep; do not wax indignant. Understand. - Baruch Spinoza

(I don’t think we’ve gotten to that last part yet. )

PJ

Yes the thread is about women theologians.

I don’t know how many there are exactly within the vatican. I’m discovering why women were not credited for things such as their inventions etc, but more importantly their spiritual contributions. We have many women saints within the church, now, which is great, but as the bible was written by men, we hear more stories regarding men’s relationship with Christ and God than we do women.

I don’t think it’s a matter of whatever you can do I can do better, if a person can do their job/vocation and do it well, it matters not what sex the person is.

I had heard that Jewish men thank God that they were not born a female, I’m not sure if they still pray that now?
It must have been such a privilage to be born male, inheriting land, money.

 

[simpleas]

The Enlightenment which gave us such things as racism and the belief that women are inferior to men.

Those thoughts existed before people began to question and suggest changes surely? The enlightment years, which I would say we are still in, did not solve the present problems of the day but they set the wheels in motion for changes to peoples thoughts about how we treated the “lesser” people within societies?

 

[simpleas]

Going off topic alittle again, but needed to share this. May not be true, but so sad if it is.

telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/11342250/Charlie-Hebdo-Women-Photoshopped-from-Paris-rally-picture.html

 

[StSentry83]

Before the Enlightenment women were considered equal and dignity and different in purpose; the Enlightenment gave us the idea that women were intellectual inferior and inferior in all other ways too. In the Middle Ages you had women doctors, plumbers, blacksmiths, tanners, cobblers, abbesses, teachers, merchants, etc. Blackstone enslaved women and made them property of husbands.

You don’t think that Enlightenment philosophy ultimately contributed towards the causes of women’s suffrage, equity in the workplace, disapproval of sexual harassment, etc.? Certainly *pre-*Enlightenment philosophy was weak as all get out on these subjects.

Enlightenment philosophy is not all the same, anyway. Compare the American and French revolutions, for example.

I think if you want a taste of the world before the Enlightenment, try looking at radical Islamic states right now.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Interesting how one party has to give obedience to the other- sounds like an unpleasant form of equality.

Talking about how things were in the medieval era is almost certain to end in failure- the time period stretches a thousand years and hundreds of autonomous regions. No doubt respect for women made a guest appearance.

But for a counter example:

historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval_women.htm

The Catholic world in Europe experienced tremendous growth in women’s rights led by the Catholic Church by things such as forcing the dower on Europe and requiring consent of the woman for her to be married.

You don’t think that Enlightenment philosophy ultimately contributed towards the causes of women’s suffrage, equity in the workplace, disapproval of sexual harassment, etc.? Certainly *pre-*Enlightenment philosophy was weak as all get out on these subjects.

Enlightenment philosophy is not all the same, anyway. Compare the American and French revolutions, for example.

I think if you want a taste of the world before the Enlightenment, try looking at radical Islamic states right now.

Actually the radical Islamic states have a fairly modern ideology, much like Christian fundamentalists.

The Enlightenment brought us the ideas that women were so inferior that they were property of their husband as well as the idea that black people were inherently inferior and that enslaving them was good for them.