Pope Francis to consecrate his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima

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Good news - the Pontificate of Pope Francis is to be consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima

(thought this would be appropriate here given the other threads concerning our Holy Father in this sub-forum).
As an answer to the request of the Pope to the Patriarch of Lisbon, Cardinal José Policarpo, asking that he consecrate the Pope’s Pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima, the Bishops of Portugal have just decided that this consecration be made next May 13.
The consecration will be included in the program of the International Pilgrimage of May 12/13 and will be made on the 13th at a time to be announced later.
May’s International Anniversary Pilgrimage, on the 96th anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady to seers Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta, will be presided over by Mons. Orani Tempesta, Archbishop of Rio de Janeiro.
Let us remind you that, during the opening speech of the 181st Plenary Assembly of the Bishops Conference of Portugal, Cardinal Policarpo said that he could very well fulfill the request all alone, “in silent prayer”, but that “it would be nice if the entire Bishops Conference joined him in fulfilling the Pope’s request”.
santuario-fatima.pt/portal/index.php?id=61512

(the link page is not in English, but there are buttons to change it to English and other languages).

Pope Francis (as Cardinal Bergoglio), has had personal correspondence with Fr Gurner, “the Fatima priest”, see the video in this link:

suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1626.0

These are encouraging signs that Pope Francis may be the one to fulfil Our Lady of Fatimas requests regarding the consecration of Russia.

See here for more info regarding Fatima & Russia:
At Fatima, on July 13, 1917, Our Lady told Sister Lucy that “God is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Communions of reparation and for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart … In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, which will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”
Our Lady’s request is very simple: Russia—the fount of so much evil in the 20th Century—must be set apart and made sacred by its consecration to the Mother of God.
fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp
 
Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia and fulfilled Our Lady’s request. July 7, 1952, apostolic letter Carissimis Russiae Populis:

Edited by moderator – Please post only in English. If the citation is in another language, including Latin, please translate it. It is permissible to give the original and the English translation.
 
Pope Francis also has close ties to the Eastern Catholic Rites. He was an ordinary of the eastern rites in Argentina and apparently was mentored by a Ukranian Catholic priest when he was younger. I think there’s real hope here that he will be in a strong position to work on building common ground with the Russian Orthodox Church during his pontificate.

Here’s to praying that we will see the consecration of Russia during our Holy Father’s pontificate.
 
These are encouraging signs that Pope Francis may be the one to fulfil Our Lady of Fatimas requests regarding the consecration of Russia.
I could very easily be wrong, but I thought this issue came to a head during the reign of John Paul 2 and I thought that between he and Cardinal Ratzinger that this issue was definitively answered that it had been done.
 
Pope Francis also has close ties to the Eastern Catholic Rites. He was an ordinary of the eastern rites in Argentina and apparently was mentored by a Ukranian Catholic priest when he was younger. I think there’s real hope here that he will be in a strong position to work on building common ground with the Russian Orthodox Church during his pontificate.
The Russian Orthodox have already come out with statements hoping that Pope Francis will not support Eastern Catholics, particularly Ukrainian. I suspect he will openly support Eastern Catholics, which will not make the RO happy at all. In addition, they were on record prior to the conclave in hoping for a traditionalist to be elected Pontiff.

I strongly doubt that we will see any major improvements in Catholic-Russian Orthodox relations. Though for the record, I hope I am wrong and you are right.
 
I could very easily be wrong, but I thought this issue came to a head during the reign of John Paul 2 and I thought that between he and Cardinal Ratzinger that this issue was definitively answered that it had been done.
I thought the same thing.🙂 :confused:
 
Good news - the Pontificate of Pope Francis is to be consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima

(thought this would be appropriate here given the other threads concerning our Holy Father in this sub-forum).

santuario-fatima.pt/portal/index.php?id=61512

(the link page is not in English, but there are buttons to change it to English and other languages).

Pope Francis (as Cardinal Bergoglio), has had personal correspondence with Fr Gurner, “the Fatima priest”, see the video in this link:

suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=1626.0

These are encouraging signs that Pope Francis may be the one to fulfil Our Lady of Fatimas requests regarding the consecration of Russia.

See here for more info regarding Fatima & Russia:

fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp
🙂 Subscribing to thread, have not read any of it yet…Thank you.
 
The Russian Orthodox have already come out with statements hoping that Pope Francis will not support Eastern Catholics, particularly Ukrainian. I suspect he will openly support Eastern Catholics, which will not make the RO happy at all. In addition, they were on record prior to the conclave in hoping for a traditionalist to be elected Pontiff.

I strongly doubt that we will see any major improvements in Catholic-Russian Orthodox relations. Though for the record, I hope I am wrong and you are right.
I didn’t realize that there was bad blood between Eastern Catholics and Russian Orthodox Christians, although now that I think about it I can understand how you could be right there.

That said, I wouldn’t write Pope Francis off as being non-traditional just yet. I think there’s a lot mischaracterization out there by the media and we haven’t seen Pope Francis say a whole lot one way or the other just yet. 🙂
 
If this is the case, then I am confused as to the significance of the OP. Can someone explain?
Some consider that this consecration in the specific manner requested by Our Lady has never been done:
The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart.
Pope Pius XII did do a public consecration, in October 31, 1942, renewed in Rome on December 8, 1942 (in the act of consecration in Rome, the Pope specifically mentioned Russia).

Pope Paul VI renewed and expanded the Consecration on November 21, 1964, at the closing of the Third Session of Vatican Council II, at the presence of all of the Bishops of the entire world:
Our glance opens on the endless horizons of the whole world, the object of the most lively care of the Ecumenical Council, and which Our venerated predecessor, Pius XII of venerated memory, not without inspiration from on high, solemnly Consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Today, We consider it particularly opportune to recall this act of Consecration. Bearing this in mind, We have decided to send a special mission to Fatima in the near future in order to carry the Golden Rose to the sanctuary of Fatima …] In this manner We intend to entrust to the care of this heavenly Mother the entire human family …] To your Immaculate Heart, O Mary, we finally recommend the entire human race.
On May 13, 1982 Pope John Paul II consecrated the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The very same consecration was renewed on October 16, 1983 at the assembly of the Synod of Bishops, employing the same prayer of 1982, later mentioning that he had asked all his brothers in the episcopate to be with him spiritually. On March 25, 1984 in St. Peter’s Square he renewed the consecration once more:
In remembrance of the ‘Fiat’ uttered by her at the moment of the Annunciation, I will today entrust to her Immaculate Heart — in spiritual union with all the bishops of the world — all individuals and peoples, repeating in substance the act that I made at Fatima on May 13, 1982
This apparently for some is still not enough. Three Popes have humbled themselves along with the entire episcopate (once literally, for the entire body of bishops was gathered in Council, in the very Holy See), to heed to the request of a private revelation to which the faithful are (in theory) not even bound to believe. Yet for some it is still not enough.

It is to be noted that in 2017 (only 4 years from now) will be the centenary of the apparitions of Fatima, and about this, Pope Benedict XVI said on May 13, 2010 in Fatima:
We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete. …] May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfilment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.
The day before, May 12, 2010, Pope Benedict performed in Fatima a solemn act of entrustment and consecration of priests to the Immaculate Heart. We see that Pope Benedict XVI becomes the fourth Pope to express sincere belief and love in the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Now we have the dear Pope Francis, clearly a devout of Our Lady to an extraordinary degree. Will he perform a special consecration on May 13, 2017? It is possible. But hopefully by then all will have become more humble and obedient, remembering that it is certainly Our Lady’s (and clearly Our Lord’s) will that we be subject above all else to Holy Mother Church, as all saints blessed with private revelations were throughout their lives. The moment we believe we can and should impose our will on the Church or the Holy Father, we can know with certainty that we are going astray.
 
I’d like to clarify a few things and fix a few errors (I tried to edit the post but ran out of time…).

The OP mentions a specific news: consecrating the pontificate.

He then mentions, separately: “Pope Francis may be the one to fulfil; Our Lady of Fatimas requests regarding the consecration of Russia.” This is because some consider that this consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart, in the specific manner requested by Our Lady. has never been done.

These are the words of one of the private revelations of 1917, part of the Second Secret of Fatima:
This war will end, but if men do not refrain from offending God, another and more terrible war will begin …] To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."
We ought to recall that while these humble children were experiencing these visions in Portugal (beginning in May 1917), Russia was experiencing since February 1917 the communist revolution. The German Empire was dissolved in the German Revolution of 1918–1919. From 1922 to 1925, the Fascist movement seized power in Italy.

After these apparitions, on a different private revelation (June 13, 1929), Our Lady would have told Sr. Lucy:
The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart.
The Lord, in a separate private revelation on the same day, would have added:
They did not want to heed My request! Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution against the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.
On August 19, 1931, in another private revelation, Our Lord told to Sister Lucy in Spain:
“make it known to My ministers that, given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution My command, they will follow him also into misfortune”
In 1933, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany, and created a totalitarian single-party state. Trouble began to ensue in China as well.

On 1936 Sr. Lucy wrote:
About the other questions, will it be convenient to insist in order to obtain the consecration of Russia? I answer in almost the same way as I answered at other times. I am sorry that it has not been done yet, but the same God who asked for it has permitted it.
I have spoken with Our Lord about the subject, and not too long ago I asked Him why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father making that consecration. Jesus answered, 'Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later on and put the devotion to this Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.
“But, my God, the Holy Father probably will not believe me unless You Yourself move him with a special inspiration”
The Holy Father! Pray very much for the Holy Father. He will do it [the consecration] but it will be late. Nevertheless, the Immaculate Heart of Mary will save Russia. It has been entrusted to Her.”
In 1936 began the Spanish Civil War. In 1937 began the Japanese invasion of China (leading to 20 million Chinese civilians dead, 200,000 alone massacred in Nanjing, until in 1949 the Communist Party took control of China). On September 1, 1939, World War II officially begun.

Finally, Pope Pius XII did do a consecration in October 31, 1942 (renewed in December 8, 1942 with a specific mention of Russia).

History acknowledges that it was in 1943 that the “Allies” began to defeat the “Axis”. World War II ended on September 2, 1945.

Under Pope John XXIII, on September 13 1959 all the bishops of Italy solemnly consecrated Italy to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The Church recognized the Fatima apparitions, but no special consecration of the world or Russia took place.

Pope Paul VI renewed and expanded the Consecration on November 21, 1964, as mentioned.

On 13 May 1981 (day of Our Lady of Fatima) Pope John Paul II was shot.

We had the consecrations under his pontificate in 1982, 1983, 1984.

Recall that in the late 1980s, the constituent republics of the Soviet Union started legal moves towards potentially declaring sovereignty over their territories. On November 9, 1989 the Berlin Wall falls. On December 25, 1991, the USSR is dissolved.

Clearly many things have happened in history, interleaved with this great mystery. We could argue that to some degree it would seem too much of a coincidence that the solemn acts of consecration took place specifically before major historical turning points. Much suffering and much grace was experienced. We do not know what follows.
 
Wait. I’m confused. Is the Pope going to consecrate his pontificate or Russia?
 
I didn’t realize that there was bad blood between Eastern Catholics and Russian Orthodox Christians, although now that I think about it I can understand how you could be right there.
There is quite a bit it seems. Particularly between Russian Orthodox and Ukrainian Catholics. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766708
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766633
That said, I wouldn’t write Pope Francis off as being non-traditional just yet. I think there’s a lot mischaracterization out there by the media and we haven’t seen Pope Francis say a whole lot one way or the other just yet. 🙂
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=761147
I suppose it depends on what you mean by traditional. If you mean that he will be orthodox and uphold Church teaching on Faith and Morals, I believe he will do exactly that. If you mean that he will be traditionalist, the evidence we have so far from his pontificate and a much longer tenure as archbishop would seem to suggest otherwise. Its early, so who knows I guess.
 
It is wonderful news to hear of nostrum Papa consecrating his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima. I pray that Our Lady grant him much grace during his years in the papacy, interceding for him, the cardinals, bishops, priests, nuns, and all religious. 🙂
 
Hi everyone

Sorry if my original post is confusing - the main thrust of the thread is about the Pope having his Pontificate consecrated to Our Lady of Fatima.

In some sense, given his known interest in Fatima (links with Fr Gruner etc) , this is unsurprising. Still it is good news nonetheless. Many people who are “into” Fatima are hoping that this is a sign he will now act in accordance with the wishes of Our Lady of Fatima:

Regarding the consecration of Russia -

This was the request of Our Lady, during the Fatima apparaitions. Its true that some people consider this to have done already, however, in my understanding, Popes have only “danced around” the subject and have not as yet carried out the request properly.
  1. How exactly is this consecration supposed to be accomplished?
A: True to Her word at Fatima, **Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucy at Tuy, Spain, on June 13, 1929, to say that: “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.” **The phrase “by this means” is crucial, because it signifies that the consecration is not merely a symbol of the coming conversion of Russia, but the very means by which it will be accomplished. Thus, without the act of consecration there will be no conversion of Russia, and without the conversion of Russia, Russia’s errors will continue to infest the world, producing the persecution of the Church, the martyrdom of the good, the suffering of the Holy Father and ultimately the annihilation of nations forewarned at Fatima.
Over the ensuing decades, **Sister Lucy has explained time and again that the act of consecration requires that the Pope “choose a date upon which His Holiness commands the bishops of the entire world to make, each in his own Cathedral, and at the same time as the Pope, a solemn and public ceremony of Reparation and consecration of Russia **…”
fatima.org/apostolate/faqconse.asp

What Sister Lucy describes above has never been done - ie the participation of the Worlds Bishops in a public profession has never taken place - and so Russia has *never * been consecrated in accordance with the wishes of Our Lady.

I speculate, but perhaps - during the Cold War - Popes were hesitant to make any moves regarding Russia, for fear of being thought of as aligning with the West, or due to concern about stoking Orthodox “take over” fears.

However, with Catholic-Orthodox relations improving and moving closer all the time, (Figures from the Moscow Patriarchate openly praised Benedict XVI, many times, and the Patriarch of Constantinople attended the new Popes inaugration for the first time in 1,000 years) then perhaps the pontificate of Pope Francis will have an ideal opportunity to consecrate Russia.

Maybe this is the mechanism by which Catholics and Eastern Orthodox will finally be reconciled? Wouldnt that be something wonderful and special?

I am not expert, but Fatima does interest me greatly. Unlike Medjugorje, the Church - after investigation - accepted Fatima and declared it “worthy of belief”.

There are many compelling things surrounding Fatima - not only the “Miracle of the Sun” but also the accuracy of the statements given to Sister Lucy etc by Our Lady regarding Russia spreading error and war.

(During the 20th century, all of the Spanish Civil War, Korea, Vietnam and countless smaller wars involving communism were proxy wars involving pawns of Soviet Russia, to say nothing of the Cold War itself.)
 
Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia and fulfilled Our Lady’s request. July 7, 1952, apostolic letter Carissimis Russiae Populis:
Hi there,

See the links in my post above - for the consecration to be valid, it is said that the Bishops of the world must participate with the Holy Father in making a public profession regarding Russia.

This has not yet occured, though various Popes have discussed the matter in an individual sense.
 
Hi all,

Just some additional info on this for the thread:

Here is Rorates coverage of the news about Francis Pontificate being consecrated.

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/04/encouraging-sign-of-more-to-come.html

And although its true we should not jump to conclusions over this, another interesting point is:

Fr Paul Kramer is another priest heavily connected, through writings and study, with Fatima. Here he is discussing comments made in the early 1990s, by Stigmatist Antonio Ruffini.
Fr Paul Kramer:
**In the early 1990s Ruffini was asked point blank in his home: “Is John Paul II the Pope who is going to do the Consecration of Russia?” He answered: “No, it’s not John Paul. It will not be his immediate successor either, but the one after that. He is the one who will consecrate Russia.” **That is, Benedict’s successor, during this time of world war and persecution of the Church, will be the one to do the Consecration at long last, and then the restoration and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart will begin
ourladysresistance.org/francis–consecration-of-russia.html

(Note - I dont know anything about Fr Kramer or the Stigmatist Ruffini, so cant vouch for their credibility. I think the aforementioned Fr Gruner is credible, given Cardinal Bergioglio chose to enter correspondence with him)
 
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