Pope Francis to world leaders "open your doors to migrants"

[philipl]

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Vatican City, Mar 16, 2016 / 06:19 am (CNA/EWTN News).- On Wednesday Pope Francis renewed his appeal on behalf of the tens of thousands struggling to enter other countries as they flee war and violence, asking global leaders to “open their hearts” and doors to migrants and refugees.
“How many of our brothers are currently living a real and dramatic situation of exile, far away from their homeland, with their eyes still full of the rubble of their homes, and in their heart the fear, and often, unfortunately, the pain of having lost loved ones,” the Pope said March 16.
Such cases can often lead one to ask questions such as “where is God? How is it possible that so much suffering befalls innocent men, women and children?” he said.

I wonder how many Catholic follow what they preach? How many of you work a second job to help feed the hungry? How many of you have invited a family of immigrants into your home to live? How many of you give 25% to 50% of your income to the poor? How many of you cook meals every day to give to the hungry? Or is voting for a liberal politician that will vote to take money from someone to give to other good enough? How many of you do real charity and really suffer to make sure the homeless have food or immigrants have shelter and a job? I give almost no money to the church, just enough to keep the lights on. Once the church came out in favor of obama care and the cost of my health insurance went thru the roof, I figured that was my charity contribution right there. My rates went up a little more than $300 a month. The difference had to come from some where.

 

[Jim91]

Give 25% to 50% of my income to the poor? That’s a lot! I don’t think most people can afford to do that.

While Obamacare has helped a lot of poor people who couldn’t afford healthcare, it took a huge hit on the middle class and the rich just keep getting richer. The outcome was that a lot of middle class were forced to cover the healthcare of the poor. When Obama said the Affordable Care Act would save everyone money, it was just a complete lie. What he meant to say was the poor would get insured at the expense of the middle class.

Obama has a net worth of $3M to $7M. I don’t see him donating half of his money to the poor. Often times liberal politicians are hypocrites (except for Sanders), they won’t donate their own wealth instead they want to tax the middle class and make them pay for it.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

How does on effectively feed the hungry, welcome the stranger? Much of it is beyond the scope of an individual or small organization which is why we need the government’s involved. That is part of their purpose. But we can do things at our local levels, in fact a lot. Most places have organizations that provide a pantry or meals or a shelter, support of some kind. I know someone who is pro•choice and yet she does more to support young mothers, families and children than those ho claim to be pro-life. Sometimes we have to be creative, even inventive. It is best to actually rub shoulders with those we seek to help rather than write a check. Get to known their stories. Walk along side with them. Open our hearts rather than build walls.

 

[SuperLuigi]

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I wonder how many Catholic follow what they preach? How many of you work a second job to help feed the hungry? How many of you have invited a family of immigrants into your home to live? How many of you give 25% to 50% of your income to the poor? How many of you cook meals every day to give to the hungry? Or is voting for a liberal politician that will vote to take money from someone to give to other good enough? How many of you do real charity and really suffer to make sure the homeless have food or immigrants have shelter and a job? I give almost no money to the church, just enough to keep the lights on. Once the church came out in favor of obama care and the cost of my health insurance went thru the roof, I figured that was my charity contribution right there. My rates went up a little more than $300 a month. The difference had to come from some where.

Well, if the government keeps taking from people, they’re going to have just and tell the homeless, the migrants ect. “sorry, but DC/Brussels took all our money. you’ll have to call them, but I guess you’ll be okay since they’re always saying how much they “care” about folks in your situation. so, you should be all good to go, right?”.

And yes, giving to the Church will be probably one of the first things people slash.

 

[SuperLuigi]

While Obamacare has helped a lot of poor people who couldn’t afford healthcare, it took a huge hit on the middle class and the rich just keep getting richer. The outcome was that a lot of middle class were forced to cover the healthcare of the poor. When Obama said the Affordable Care Act would save everyone money, it was just a complete lie. What he meant to say was the poor would get insured at the expense of the middle class.

That’s what happens when big federal government tries to fix things. They end picking winners and losers instead of letting the marketplace work.

 

[Lynxdk]

That’s what happens when big federal government tries to fix things. They end picking winners and losers instead of letting the marketplace work.

The way the “marketplace” has been working, is to push all the wealth towards the top, leaving the people on the bottom in the worst conditions. You know, those people called corporations that “sponsor” folks to get elected into offices where they can manipulate the system in their own favor?

Tea Party politics based on misguided understandings of economics that would have Adam Smith rolling over in his grave, along with an utter lack of faith in God, because people live to work and serve Riches (mamon) rather than God and Christ, ignoring or even Blaming the least of these…

 

[SuperLuigi]

Lynxdk;13760745]The way the “marketplace” has been working, is to push all the wealth towards the top, leaving the people on the bottom in the worst conditions.

The free market is a reflection of natural law. Big government is not. In the marketplace, the people decide things. In government, bureaucrats decide things.

Actually, it’s big government that allows this in no small part because of the following:

You know, those people called corporations that “sponsor” folks to get elected into offices where they can manipulate the system in their own favor?

That’s crony capitalism and goes against what I said. And yet, nearly 45% of this country is on stand-by to elect a woman to the Oval Office who will ensure this continues because they are obsessed over race, gender and gay rights or are on the take from the government themselves.

Tea Party politics based on misguided understandings of economics that would have Adam Smith rolling over in his grave, along with an utter lack of faith in God,

That’s funny, since many TEA PARTY folks have been accused of being religious bigots or just evangelicals in disguise.

So which is it?

because people live to work and serve Riches (mamon) rather than God and Christ, ignoring or even Blaming the least of these…

Mammon means more than just money. It also means so-called gay “marriage”, wanting to feel and look good in front of secular friends, abortion, believing in false charges of racism and discrimination and other personal selfishness.

Adam Smith would be rolling in his grave alright—over liberal economic polices.

 

[Lynxdk]

The free market is a reflection of natural law. Big government is not. In the marketplace, the people decide things. In government, bureaucrats decide things.

Actually, it’s big government that allows this in no small part because of the following:

That’s crony capitalism and goes against what I said. And yet, nearly 45% of this country is on stand-by to elect a woman to the Oval Office who will ensure this continues because they are obsessed over race, gender and gay rights or are on the take from the government themselves.

That’s funny, since many TEA PARTY folks have been accused of being religious bigots or just evangelicals in disguise.

So which is it?

Mammon means more than just money. It also means so-called gay “marriage”, wanting to feel and look good in front of secular friends, abortion, believing in false charges of racism and discrimination and other personal selfishness.

Adam Smith would be rolling in his grave alright—over liberal economic polices.

There’s a whole lotta nonsense that look like you just made it up. Mamon means None of the things you added in there.

In a “free market” as people would have it, interpreted the way the Tea Party does, The Market would be in control, and would keep God out of it, completely.

I would suggest you go back and read the Red Letter parts of the Bible, along with Psalms, and stop trying to interpret Von Mises as having come from God.

Alternatively, you could reject the Pope, the teachings of Christ and the examples they set and go full on dominionist… I mean, evangelical.

 

[philipl]

The way the “marketplace” has been working, is to push all the wealth towards the top, leaving the people on the bottom in the worst conditions. You know, those people called corporations that “sponsor” folks to get elected into offices where they can manipulate the system in their own favor?

Tea Party politics based on misguided understandings of economics that would have Adam Smith rolling over in his grave, along with an utter lack of faith in God, because people live to work and serve Riches (mamon) rather than God and Christ, ignoring or even Blaming the least of these…

Yet at the same time the Pope is wanting us to opening the door which flood the market place with labor allowing those corporations to have cheap labor. They would greatly benefit from a policy of open boarders?

 

[philipl]

How does on effectively feed the hungry, welcome the stranger? Much of it is beyond the scope of an individual or small organization which is why we need the government’s involved. That is part of their purpose. But we can do things at our local levels, in fact a lot. Most places have organizations that provide a pantry or meals or a shelter, support of some kind. I know someone who is pro•choice and yet she does more to support young mothers, families and children than those ho claim to be pro-life. Sometimes we have to be creative, even inventive. It is best to actually rub shoulders with those we seek to help rather than write a check. Get to known their stories. Walk along side with them. Open our hearts rather than build walls.

So provide lip service while someone else does does all the heavy lifting? That is what all good socialist do already.

 

[Lynxdk]

So provide lip service while someone else does does all the heavy lifting? That is what all good socialist do already.

I know people who spend their own personal time and money, feeding, clothing and providing shelter to the homeless, and those sort of things. How is that lip service? That’s ~acting~ in a Christ like manner.

 

[Lynxdk]

Yet at the same time the Pope is wanting us to opening the door which flood the market place with labor allowing those corporations to have cheap labor. They would greatly benefit from a policy of open boarders?

Why does it have to be Cheap labor?

Oh that’s right… mamon hoarders.

They’re gonna have to give that back at some point. Everything that is, belongs to God.

 

[Mongo]

So provide lip service while someone else does does all the heavy lifting? That is what all good socialist do already.

Poverty will never be solved. We will always have poor people, and the more the government does to help people the more poor people we will have. All they are doing is dropping the floor out under the middle class. The rich will always be rich, and the poor will always be poor. Socialism and govt programs will do nothing about that. What they do do is take money from the middle class and give it to others. And what they leave the middle class with loses its value because the prices the middle class has to pay go through the roof.

Regarding the popes statements on immigration; he is naive. Europe has a right to protect its culture and its borders. The pope has admitted that there is an invasion and that the European culture is being destroyed, yet he insists that we in the west should just allow Muslim immigrants to flood into our countries. Doesn’t he realize that this will only hurt Christianity even more? Why would we want Muslims coming into our countries when what we witness of Islamic culture is violence and bigotry?

The pope is wrong. My compassion isn’t infinite. God, family and country come first. I will not undermine those because Muslims want to come into my country. I don’t support the destruction of my country or my faith tradition in favor of compassion to Muslims. I would think the cologne attacks or the Paris attacks would have opened the eyes of those in the govt, but they continue to push a free flow of Muslims over the borders.

 

[Lynxdk]

God, family and country come first.

God comes first? Most of what you said, isn’t what Christ taught. The Pope isn’t naive. He’s well educated, and trusts in The Lord.

The poor in spirit* may always be with us, but if people followed Christ, we wouldn’t have such wealth disparity as we do now.

God’s compassion is infinite.

 

[philipl]

I know people who spend their own personal time and money, feeding, clothing and providing shelter to the homeless, and those sort of things. How is that lip service? That’s ~acting~ in a Christ like manner.

What do you do to help the poor, feed the hungry? Knowing people isnt the same as doing.

 

[Lynxdk]

What do you do?

Well, I’m homeless myself at the moment, but I’ve bought dinner for other homeless who didn’t have a shelter to stay at, while I look for an apartment I can afford. I’ve given one of my only 2 pairs of jeans to a guy at the shelter that didn’t have anything clean, knowing I could get myself another pair, so not a big thing.

I used to own a sailboat… I sold that to help my brother move from Florida to NH for a better paying job, stayed in a homeless shelter there after I drove a truck full of his stuff up, till I got a room at a boarding house… things like that. I’m pretty flexible.

At some point I’ll be able to get back to work on other things, and be able to help more, but I do what I can for now.

 

[Lynxdk]

“Your heavenly Father knows what you need before you ask him” (Matt. 6:8). We sometimes pray for what we think we need but overlook what we really need. For instance, we may pray for health, material blessing, and opportunity, but what we really need is the ability to trust, the willingness to surrender our lives to God without qualification, and the grace to see the good in others and not their faults.

These needs are just as real as our need for food and clothing, since apart from grace to extend empathy and love toward others, we will never be truly happy. Love “overlooks” a multitude of sins; it looks beyond the present moment to see with compassion, of kindness, of empathy…

What we really need, then, is to be after God’s own heart, to see other people as God sees them, and to overlook matters that offend or feed our sense of pride. This is what we truly need, and therefore we trust that the Lord our God mercifully “decodes” our apparent petitions to express what the Spirit of God groans on our behalf (Rom. 8:26).

From a friend =)

I think what a lot of people Miss is that God and Christ and Christianity are much more than a mere philosophy that people can take or leave, as they will… Oh they ~can~ do it that way, and many do, but why bother going to church and paying dues as if it’s just a country club? Better just save up for the things you want, and forget about the rest, if that’s the case.

 

[philipl]

Well, I’m homeless myself at the moment, but I’ve bought dinner for other homeless who didn’t have a shelter to stay at, while I look for an apartment I can afford. I’ve given one of my only 2 pairs of jeans to a guy at the shelter that didn’t have anything clean, knowing I could get myself another pair, so not a big thing.

I used to own a sailboat… I sold that to help my brother move from Florida to NH for a better paying job, stayed in a homeless shelter there after I drove a truck full of his stuff up, till I got a room at a boarding house… things like that. I’m pretty flexible.

At some point I’ll be able to get back to work on other things, and be able to help more, but I do what I can for now.

What skill sets do you have? maybe you can go work for the same company I work for. Now you have to talk on the phone all day. But the pay is 36,000 a year.

 

[Lynxdk]

What skill sets do you have? maybe you can go work for the same company I work for. Now you have to talk on the phone all day. But the pay is 36,000 a year.

I have plenty of work. Most homeless people that live in shelters, Have jobs, they just don’t have homes. Waiting for something to open up in my area.

Although There is a thought. Any shelters in Your area would probably have people Jump at the change of pace, since many I’ve known work for places that pay by the day when work is available, like Labor Ready.

You don’t have to branch out on the internet for stuff like that, when there’s people close to home that probably need assistance.

 

[Lynxdk]

I also detect and bit of an “Aha! I Gotcha!” sort of trolling thing there, so let me rise to your bait =)

Before I was a homeless person, I used to have a 2 car, 3 kid, white picket fence life. I dug the holes and put the posts in myself, even =)

Born, baptized, confirmed, married in the Catholic Church.

Then there was a problem with the marriage, though. Triggered by flashbacks that started kicking in when I started recognizing that my kids were being emotionally and psychologically abused similar to the ways I was brought up, a divorce and an anullment followed.

Because I have schizophrenia, and spent that last decade or so in and out of mental hospitals, in therapists offices, I’ve been collecting SSDI, which I’ve paid into most of my life, while I recovered from severe PTSD/DID that was as a result of all the child abuse and neglect I’ve survived, not to mention all else that came after, and now I’m on track to get my life back on course, with a bit more time and work, that I do during the week “easing off the dole” so I don’t get stuck the way some folks do.

But for the Grace of God, there go I.

You can call me a mooch if you like, but before all that “bad stuff” happened, I was working 2 jobs at times, one of them full time the entire time, while going to school, volunteering for 4H, running my own webdesign company. Lost that in the divorce; I can start a new one, or some other such thing, once I have my own place and a computer capable of doing that sort of work… being a parent to 3 kids, 2 that weren’t mine before we married, cooking and cleaning, while my alcoholic “husband” controlled the finances from the couch, playing video games and cheating on me via the internet while I juggled most of the rest.

I’ve worked call centers for years. I have degrees. I can get better jobs. I can run my own businesses with the money I can get from that. And so on.

So… Besides complaining about what you don’t have, and fishing for gotchas, What do you do?