Fine. I will stick with the Holy Father. But just to be clear, the refugees are those fleeing ISIS. But notwithstanding the good bishop’s declaration the Pope is wrong, they both may be right, but with different perspective.Not welcoming strangers is an inaccurate analysis of the situation. Hungarian Catholic Bishop Bishop Laszlo Kiss-Rigo has called it an Islamic invasion. He’s seen it first hand, I’ll take his opinion.
Yes.Jesus. He was quite clear on the subject that we will be judged by how we treat strangers. It is what he* taught*, as opposed to this analogy with Lot with is just an analogy.
Okay. Who is Father Lot? When has the Church ever called him Father Lot, or drawn a dichotomy between him and Abraham on this or any other topic? My response, which you disregarded as irrelevant, is that this section from Genesis is necessarily relevant to the topic. The lack of relevance is why we should look to Jesus, or to the Church. If there was any relevance as to how we treat strangers, it would be between Lot (whom God saved) and the people of Sodom who mistreated strangers.When you have anything relevant to say about the questions I asked, I will be listening.
Make the argument.
And yet liberal support open borders, which creates a glut of low wage workers for those mean corporations.Why does it have to be Cheap labor?
Oh that’s right… mamon hoarders.
They’re gonna have to give that back at some point. Everything that is, belongs to God.
The juxtaposition of ‘Father’ onto ‘Lot’ as contrasted to ‘Father’ onto ‘Abraham’ was intentionally done in order to draw the reader into the understanding that, unlike in the traditions of any scriptural exegesis, or in Catholic teaching, Lot has never been projected as our father, nor should he be. Abraham, the patriarch, the primary patriarch even, has always gone by that title, in Catholic tradition, in all scriptural traditions, and even in non-scriptural traditions such as has developed in Islam.Okay. Who is Father Lot? When has the Church ever called him Father Lot,
I cannot imagine that in 2000 years of Church tradition and the centuries before the advent of the Church, no one except me has every noted the contrast between the relationship that Abraham had with the three strangers, and the relationship between the strangers and Lot, which follows directly upon the meeting between the three and Abraham. This has always been a part of the same story, and the treatment of the stranger has always been very much a central theme of the story. The text itself draws us into noting the differences between Abraham and Lot here.or drawn a dichotomy between him and Abraham on this or any other topic?
I think that your response was more that the section from Genesis was** irrelevant **to the topic. I think that is what you are trying to say here.My response, which you disregarded as irrelevant, is that this section from Genesis is necessarily relevant to the topic.
Of course! That is all central to the topic!!The lack of relevance is why we should look to Jesus, or to the Church. If there was any relevance as to how we treat strangers, it would be between Lot (whom God saved) and the people of Sodom who mistreated strangers.
We are to read Scripture for discernment, as if it might actually contain some lessons that are relevant to our lives today.Yes, we look to Scripture, but we look to what Scripture says, not analogies which may or may not be true.
That is ironic, granted, which is why I see no conflict between supporting more open borders and conservative economics. Having too much labor is like having too much capital.And yet liberal support open borders, which creates a glut of low wage workers for those mean corporations.
It is not an either/or problem.Not welcoming strangers is an inaccurate analysis of the situation. Hungarian Catholic Bishop Bishop Laszlo Kiss-Rigo has called it an Islamic invasion. He’s seen it first hand, I’ll take his opinion.
I have read many of your post and no where do they support you agree with conservative economics.That is ironic, granted, which is why I see no conflict between supporting more open borders and conservative economics. Having too much labor is like having too much capital.
Google Syrian children refugeesI looked up the youtube, searching for “refugees europe” and there is a ton of postings with the abuses made by the Syrian refugees, and “abuse” is a very mild term for what they are doing there. I looked up then for “peaceful refugees europe” and all the results were using the word "peaceful’ ironically. So, whats going on?
From where will the politicians take the money for their relocation (which is more expensive than welfare) if not from our fellow poor citizens?
What would make the Holy Father an expert on this subject?Fine. I will stick with the Holy Father. But just to be clear, the refugees are those fleeing ISIS. But notwithstanding the good bishop’s declaration the Pope is wrong, they both may be right, but with different perspective.
If you watch the videos most of the refugees are man in their 30’s …Google Syrian children refugees
mashable.com/2016/03/08/letters-wwii-refugees-syrian-children/#xAvcRtpDkkqK
Are you sure?The Pope’s approach is according to our’s Lord teachings,indisputable, but somehow it has a litttle twist by pointing which beggar to help and with how much so to speak.
An interesting argument, except that it ignores completely the experience of Europe. Immigrants there don’t learn the language, and don’t even bother looking for work - cheap or no wage at all. They live on the public dole.Yet at the same time the Pope is wanting us to opening the door which flood the market place with labor allowing those corporations to have cheap labor. They would greatly benefit from a policy of open boarders?
I went to AZ last week for spring break with my kids. We went to a beautiful Easter vigil in an affluent part of Scottsdale. On Easter, I went to a confirmation party and met with a woman who told me that she used to whine about her tax dollars going to illegal mexicans in her state. Now that she’s come back to the church, she has changed her thinking on that and realized that these mexicans she so despised were God’s children, deserving of dignity, care and love. I was floored.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-to-world-leaders-open-your-doors-to-migrants-13531/
I wonder how many Catholic follow what they preach? How many of you work a second job to help feed the hungry? How many of you have invited a family of immigrants into your home to live? How many of you give 25% to 50% of your income to the poor? How many of you cook meals every day to give to the hungry? Or is voting for a liberal politician that will vote to take money from someone to give to other good enough? How many of you do real charity and really suffer to make sure the homeless have food or immigrants have shelter and a job? I give almost no money to the church, just enough to keep the lights on. Once the church came out in favor of obama care and the cost of my health insurance went thru the roof, I figured that was my charity contribution right there. My rates went up a little more than $300 a month. The difference had to come from some where.
Maybe these men have families and their first priority is to serve them, to protect them, to provide for them. When your country has been in turmoil for centuries, when your family’s oral history is rife with internal and external strife, tyranny, death, exodus, etc., when all you care about anymore is your family, it’s not hard to walk away. Fighting back has failed over and over for many of these societies. And you know what we call people who do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.If you watch the videos most of the refugees are man in their 30’s …
They should fight for democracy in their country. But they dont care, when the americans showed up in Irak too few of them saw it as a opportunity to start a democratic society. Instead they give credit to any imam who manipulate their pride and national feelings to make them opose any changes and follow some local warlords.
Sorry for those kids but that is their inheritance so they should give thanks to their parents, then relatives, their imam, then countrymen …its a long line before their problems become mine, not to say that I have my lines to attend to…