Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants on visit to Poland

[Darryl1958]

In other statements, the pope says that we are in a state of war as the response to the killing of a priest.

Yet he remains unable to state who it is that we are at war with, except that it is not at war with a religion.

Some men have been more capable at providing leadership in their role as pope than others. Some have been able to provide clarity, and a yes and a no, a straight line and a goal; others have not.
Catholicism is united. They are all popes to be sure.
But with some, leadership on the matters of the day have to come from other sources.

“What the world needs now is love, sweet love” is as true now as it was in the days of John and Paul and George and Ringo.

But that is not taking a position of leadership, imho, and giving Europeans the full picture of what course of action is necessary to deal with the present situation.

Growing up means growing beyond the Beatles mentality of our youth. There has to be more to leadership than appeal to sentiment.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Interesting I have never been a Protestant. Seems some Catholics can find ways to worm and squirm out of anything.and then claim their critics are “Protestants”. I use to be a Catholic until I discovered the Jewish Jesus.

The Jewish Jesus founded the Catholic Church.

 

[lmachine]

When the Vatican is converted into a mosque like the Hagia Sophia was, how Catholic will that be?

Make no mistake this is an invasion and nothing more.

Should we bomb them or just machine gun them? What’s the most effective way to stop this invasion?

 

[Hatikvah]

When the Vatican is converted into a mosque like the Hagia Sophia was, how Catholic will that be?

Make no mistake this is an invasion and nothing more.

Yes, and they will attempt to commit high sacrilege with a holy place, blaspheming God with the worship of their god. Lord have mercy.

(Side note: the CCC says that the God, Father of Christ, is Islam’s god, whereas the majority of other Christians do not believe in such a thing. Therefore, for a Catholic, it wouldn’t be “sacrilege,” so whatever I said does not apply.)

 

[Hatikvah]

Should we bomb them or just machine gun them? What’s the most effective way to stop this invasion?

Not allowing in the Trojan horse – sorry, I meant refugees. There have been many, many cases in European history of invasion by foreign, non-Christian peoples. Like in the Migration period in Europe, Huns and Alans and many, many Germanic peoples invaded Christian Europe, almost crushing it.

Yet, while we today are Christians, our ancestors prevailed, thanks to the help of the papacy and the papacy alone.

 

[Geist]

Should we bomb them or just machine gun them? What’s the most effective way to stop this invasion?

Land mines, trenches, and entrenched machine gun nests are an ideal yet suitably quaint strategy for defending a fixed position such as a border. For a modern twist on that old favorite incorporate drone strikes and air support.

Forgot their invasion by sea. Gun-boats are a must as well.

Before, “OMG so cruel” this is a literal war for survival. Us vs them, and only one will prevail.

And right now my money is on them.

 

[Hatikvah]

The EU, NATO, UN, and all of the liberal human and civil rights groups would get upset as they always do. It’s not like those refugee people are seriously being supplied en masse with weaponry, tanks and a decent command structure (though peasant rebellions in history rarely had those anyhow).

By remaining neutral and not accepting the refugees/migrants/Muslims/Trojan horses/whatever-you-wanna-call-them, we protect ourselves – let them go away on their own if it befits our security and necessity. Of course, we must find the moral high ground and manage being godly as we can.

 

[Hatikvah]

Good observation. I don’t think very many people we can have rational discourse with would accept killing primarily defenseless refugees (at least, when it is phrased as such). I also don’t think, obviously, that Jesus would suggest doing that…

 

[starshiptrooper]

Only if we have to. They can always go back to where they came from instead of foisting their problems onto us.

 

[liturgyluver]

Land mines, trenches, and entrenched machine gun nests are an ideal yet suitably quaint strategy for defending a fixed position such as a border. For a modern twist on that old favorite incorporate drone strikes and air support.

Forgot their invasion by sea. Gun-boats are a must as well.

Before, “OMG so cruel” this is a literal war for survival. Us vs them, and only one will prevail.

And right now my money is on them.

Perhaps you’d like to send this suggestion to Pope Francis and see how he comments?

Interestingly the hysteria and hyperbole chooses to ignore the fact that the borders are now closed, that the EU has made an agreement with Turkey to house the refugees who are stranded in Greece Serbia and Macedonia. I believe Pope Francis was referring to the EU plan to redistribute a number of refugees who had arrived last year to take the pressure off Greece and Italy and Hungary. Poland was asked to take 7000.

 

[Hatikvah]

Perhaps you’d like to send this suggestion to Pope Francis and see how he comments?

Interestingly the hysteria and hyperbole chooses to ignore the fact that the borders are now closed, that the EU has made an agreement with Turkey to house the refugees who are stranded in Greece Serbia and Macedonia. I believe Pope Francis was referring to the EU plan to redistribute a number of refugees who had arrived last year to take the pressure off Greece and Italy and Hungary. Poland was asked to take 7000.

I like your username, by the way.

But Poland shouldn’t have to take them if they don’t want them. Refugees are quite a burden. Look at Germany and France. Of course, violence isn’t usually the answer – I won’t even pretend that it never happens, but it’s not necessary right now in this instance. Pope Francis knows that, and he is a man of peace.

 

[gracepoole]

Only if we have to. They can always go back to where they came from instead of foisting their problems onto us.

I’ve forgotten which of the gospels this is from…

 

[liturgyluver]

I like your username, by the way.

But Poland shouldn’t have to take them if they don’t want them. Refugees are quite a burden. Look at Germany and France. Of course, violence isn’t usually the answer – I won’t even pretend that it never happens, but it’s not necessary right now in this instance. Pope Francis knows that, and he is a man of peace.

Thanks.

It’s a moot point. The UK, Ireland and Denmark negotiated opt outs from this aspect of the EU treaty in the 1990s so they haven’t been asked to take any. Poland and Slovakia have no such opt-out, but realistically no-one can force them to take them. But it’s unfair to Hungary, Italy and Greece.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I’ve forgotten which of the gospels this is from…

I forgot the part of the Gospel where Jesus laid out his political treatise. Contrary to what quite a few Liberals seem to believe, The Communist Manifesto does not appear there.

Besides, even if we do not allow the “refugees” to come over, it is not as if I will lack people to demand welfare from me and call me a racist anyway.

 

[Darryl1958]

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[pnewton]

Yes /no / maybe/ I don’t know/ can you repeat the question. All I am saying is if you cannot tell the friendlies from the hostiles from the ones who will self detonate at Allahu Akbar; keep them quarantined far away from the indigenous population. After all the first job of government is to keep the local population safe.

And if you do not know the good police from the bad police disarm or disband them all? Your logic seems lacking.

 

[gracepoole]

I forgot the part of the Gospel where Jesus laid out his political treatise.

Christ spoke more mercifully about adulterers and thieves than what’s described when someone says of refugees, “They can always go back to where they came from instead of foisting their problems onto us.”

 

[pnewton]

I forgot the part of the Gospel where Jesus laid out his political treatise.

The Gospels are loaded with content with major political impact. No, he did not fit within modern ideas of conservatism or liberalism, but he had a great deal to say about those that ruled Judea.

 

[Rosebud77]

Thanks.

It’s a moot point. The UK, Ireland and Denmark negotiated opt outs from this aspect of the EU treaty in the 1990s so they haven’t been asked to take any. Poland and Slovakia have no such opt-out, but realistically no-one can force them to take them. But it’s unfair to Hungary, Italy and Greece.

We have refugee immigrants in Ireland… being broken in in centres,

Some of the comments here remind me of the comments on the news item today re our navy rescuing refugees in boats in the Med… Utterly callous,

breakingnews.ie/ireland/le-james-joyce-rescues-more-than-400-migrants-747403.html

 

[pnewton]

Because they’re not “refugees”?

Many are not from Syria and are just looking for welfare and consequence free rape.

“Many”? You sound like Trump, painting people with a broad rapist brush. If you think this is all about people looking for easy rape, then I do not know how to respond to that type of thinking other than to say the propaganda is working.

When the Vatican is converted into a mosque like the Hagia Sophia was, how Catholic will that be?

Make no mistake this is an invasion and nothing more.

I think this lacks total historical perspective, or an understanding of what an invasion really is. Rome has been invaded many times and the Vatican still stands. When an invasion occurred, there was no question if it was an invasion, what with the armies, the killing of thousands upon thousands, the burning of cities. How many are in this invading army as part of the standing forces? How many countries have fallen, Really fallen, not all the rhetorical hogwash? What are the battles so far?