Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants on visit to Poland

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Tbrightson said:
I said “young people” not “my kids”.
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Left and right are in your brain. No. He is not talking politics. You may be translating into politics.
As far as we are zoon politikon and we live in society ,well then,that may be as far as it may mean.
And where does he say it is about " flooding" ,one,ten,3.000?
The Social Teaching of the Church may be googled at Vatican site.
It is understandable that during election time one is more prone to " translate" in one 's mind.
But not all Christianity is in election time. It is a big world....
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Mercy, charity, humanity are not leftist.
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Those things Jesus taught were directed at us individually, not at Caeser.

For the State, Mercy, Charity, humanity start at home and are secondary to the main purpose of government - To protect its people. No government should extend such things at the expense of the safety and cultural values of its people.

BTW All those things could be extended to the refugees without having to bring them into their country.

Again, lets see the State of the Vatican let the square turn into a refugee camp.
 
Tbrightson said:
Mercy, charity, humanity are not leftist.
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Why can’t you show some respect for the Pope and consider this issue in an intelligent vein? The population of Vatican City is 836, so in order to do the same as other European States on a per capita basis Pope Francis would have to take 2 people. He has already accepted a family of six.

Nobody apart from you has suggested that Vatican Square should be turned into a refugee camp.
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Most countries in the West still support allowing refugees to come in. Unfortunately (I predict) people are going to have die because of it. Time will tell who made the more accurate assessment of the situation.
 
Seamus_L said:
Most countries in the West still support allowing refugees to come in. Unfortunately (I predict) people are going to have die because of it. Time will tell who made the more accurate assessment of the situation.
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Nothing wrong with allowing refugees. My parents sponsored one family of them and I did another.

But there was no question in either case just who and what they were. When you get right down to it, there are places in the world where conditions are such that everybody there could claim “refugee” status. But allowing all such people into this country is unrealistic because they absolutely are not thoroughly vetted, and because we can’t take in half the population of the earth.
 
liturgyluver said:
Why can’t you show some respect for the Pope and consider this issue in an intelligent vein? The population of Vatican City is 836, so in order to do the same as other European States on a per capita basis Pope Francis would have to take 2 people. He has already accepted a family of six.

Nobody apart from you has suggested that Vatican Square should be turned into a refugee camp.
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Then let me be the first. Respect is a two way street. Got to go, need to make some devils dung.
 
pnewton said:
He was not talking politics. He was teaching, as Jesus taught:
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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Do you take the words of Jesus above seriously? If not, then what the Holy Father is teaching is a lesson that all need to learn.
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Yes and the Catholic Church has a great history of going out into the world and creating universities, charities, schools and hospitals to take care of those who need it.

Jesus did not say that you need to continually open your borders to millions of people who are after a welfare state that forces your neighbour and his children to pay for it while having their own culture and way of life turned upside down.

Jesus did not say that because that would have been unjust and God is not unjust.

If you want to put your hand in your pocket and help certain people or travel overseas and help certain people then all power to you. But when you force your neighbour to pay for people that you choose to help then you are being unjust.

You help who you want to help in the way you personally decide and i will help who i want to help but don’t use the state to force your wants on me. God will not reward you for that.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
Could you explain how Pope Francis has dis-respected anyone with his words?
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Where do you start?

The money I earn thru my hard work is the “devils dung”

People who are in the arms industry cant be Christians.

Large families “breed like rabbits”

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Tbrightson said:
Where do you start?

The money I earn thru my hard work is the “devils dung”

People who are in the arms industry cant be Christians.

Large families “breed like rabbits”

Associated negative remarks about Traditional/Conservative Catholics.
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Let us not forget that right wing Christians are spiritually sick.

Eventually, Pope Francis will alienate everyone who used to back the Papacy. At some point, he will be forced to make a statement on abortion or gay marriage that enrages his buddies on the Left. When he does, I will watch the fallout from a safe distance.
 
Tbrightson said:
Where do you start?

The money I earn thru my hard work is the “devils dung”

People who are in the arms industry cant be Christians.

Large families “breed like rabbits”

Associated negative remarks about Traditional/Conservative Catholics.
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I was speaking specifically of the OP. How has Pope Francis disrespected anyone with his remarks on migrants?
 
jediliz said:
not making excuses, I am merely pointing out that there needs to be a way to vet the refugees before we have more ISIS types sneak in (disguised among the real ones)…and that would happen if we just open our borders and don’t secure them.

The wife in the San Bernardino attack lied on her papers. We need to be able to make sure there are no ISIS hiding among the real refugees. I don’t want to wake up one morning and find out a local priest was killed the same way as Father Jacques. Or even worse…that the Pope was killed!

This current administration has only let a small amount of Christian refugees come…if you point out that there aren’t that many…well, its because they are being KILLED by ISIS for refusing to CONVERT!
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Bush/Blair etc…lied to the world about WMD that Iraq possessed and killed 1000’s and created million of refugees. Given that is the scenarion San Bernardino attackers’ wife could be excused? Do you care about any of those killed only Fr.Hamel and Pope?
 
Son_of_Niall said:
I was speaking specifically of the OP. How has Pope Francis disrespected anyone with his remarks on migrants?
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I haven’t heard any. But again, respect is a two way street; I am speaking overall, not just on the migrant issue.
 
Seamus_L said:
Most countries in the West still support allowing refugees to come in. Unfortunately (I predict) people are going to have die because of it. Time will tell who made the more accurate assessment of the situation.
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Better to suffer evil than to commit evil.
 
wllmjoseph said:
The countries that have significant Muslim populations experience ongoing waves of terrorism. It can not be denied that a significant percentage of the Muslim population in Europe is not interested in integrating in European society. In the Arab press there is discussion on their expectation that large areas of Europe will become predominantly Muslim in the years to come.

Poland and Hungary have every right to look what is going on presently in France and Belgium and to protect their own national interests. We are obligated to help the Syrian Refugees but not at any cost. Why is it that both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have not taken any of the Syrian refugees?
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Good question.

I know Jordan has taken in millions.
 
Tbrightson said:
Then let me be the first. Respect is a two way street. Got to go, need to make some devils dung.
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One can be respectful and still disagree. The problem with your disagreement is that it is based on ridiculous comparisons. The role of St. Peter’s Square is not to house refugees. The Catholic Church is a lot larger than the confines of Vatican City though and anyone who is intellectually honest would know that the Catholic Church does put its money where its mouth is when it comes to charity, specifically, respect toward immigrants.
 
abucs said:
Jesus did not say that you need to continually open your borders to millions of people who are after a welfare state that forces your neighbour and his children to pay for it while having their own culture and way of life turned upside down.
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That is a lot of words, a lot of particulars, so many that it is a straw man. The Holy Father did not say any of this. What he spoke to was an attitude of acceptance, love and mercy. Jesus did not say any of the things above, but neither did he set limits. We all know there most be some practical limits, but I do not think one can out give God.
 
The Holy Father did not say any of this. What he spoke to was an attitude of acceptance, love and mercy.
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Well that’s really swell as long as “acceptance” doesn’t mean you must allow them into your country at the risk of having the problems mentioned.
 
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