Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants on visit to Poland

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The Pope has a love for all people and does not see killing them or sending them to be killed as something that Christ would want his people to support. Genocide is Satan’s solution, and those that serve him. When Pope Francis speaks, it is to be expected that he will see things differently that the Evil one, and the tools of evil in the world.

I think what is missed here is that the Pope is teaching Christianity, not political science. He is encouraging young people to be transformed by the Holy Spirit into the likeness of Jesus, not just countering some Machiavellian politics. Without spiritual conversion, what he says will make no sense. However, from the eyes of the one who was willing to be kind to the whole cruelty that was Man, he makes perfect sense. And in his kindness and mercy to the cruel, Jesus also show kindness and mercy to all, proving the Talmud saying nothing but folly in the eyes of God.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I see no truth in placing the rights of jihadists rapist over the safety of my daughter, and the young girls of Europe who are just like her.

If that is what passes as Christian mercy these days, I am jumping off that bus.

It is a vile and filthy understanding of what mercy is all about to propose that.

Governments have first and foremost a responsibility to their own citizens.
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No one has suggested place the rights of jihad rapist over your daughter. That is rhetorical nonsense, as I think you know. The Pope is not going to speak like a racist bumper sticker, and neither should Catholics.

Let us consider the Golden Rule. If one would not like nasty euphemisms given to one’s daughter that might only apply to some girls, then one should refrain from the same nasty generalizations of others. Christians should speak of Muslims, as they would want Muslims to speak of their wives and daughters.
 
And does being a man make you less deserving of dignity and compassion?
 
No, as the San Bernardino couple proves. However statistically speaking, men are more likely to utilize violence. Yes, statistics are important here because we have no way of verifying the bona fides (if any) of these “refugees”.
pnewton said:
The problem is that some statements here are not truth. They are the same hateful lies used by despots and murderers throughout time.
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As I pointed out, some of the “refugees” have been dishonest. Given that we have no way of knowing who they really are, this is a disturbing sign. As for the comparison with murders and despots, I have no desire to kill these people and I just want to be left alone. It is not as if I will not have people calling me racist and demanding that I pay for their welfare if we do not admit them.
 
I will take the Pope seriously on migrants, borders, etc when he tears down his OWN wall.
 
Tbrightson said:
I will take the Pope seriously on migrants, borders, etc when he tears down his OWN wall.
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You are not the only Catholic who does not want to take the Holy Father on any subject not on their tray of beliefs, but this is not a Catholic way to respond. Besides, you should know that the Vatican wall is not a wall, and keeps no one out. Ask anyone who has been there, or use common sense. Have you never seen the mass of humanity that gathers at St. Peter’s?
 
Jihad means to serve the poor. ISIL members are not Jihadists, nor were KKK or Third Reich Christians carrying out a Crusade and Hitler said the Reich was carrying out a Crusade. Only in goodness, charity…this is the true Crusade/Holy war and there have been noble Muslims over the years like Saladin and noble Christians like Richard the Lionheart who are great examples of chivalry.
 
pnewton said:
You are not the only Catholic who does not want to take the Holy Father on any subject not on their tray of beliefs, but this is not a Catholic way to respond. Besides, you should know that the Vatican wall is not a wall, and keeps no one out. Ask anyone who has been there, or use common sense. Have you never seen the mass of humanity that gathers at St. Peter’s?
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Nothing un catholic about telling someone to take the log out of their own eye. Lets have several hundred unvetted young muslim males move in to the vatican.
 
Well I read through the thread and no one has a clue how to tell the friendlies from the hostiles from the ones who self explode.

Since the very first roll of government is to keep the inhabitants safe, migrants who co-religionist tend to self detonate need to be kept quarantined away from the indigenous folks who don’t appreciate the loud booms, gunfire, torture, and beheadings.
 
Mostly military age males coming from countries where they’ve proven themselves to be incapable of self governing, and now they’ll come to the West where we’ll teach them to become respectful, tolerant, democratic minded citizens.
 
Seamus_L said:
Mostly military age males coming from countries where they’ve proven themselves to be incapable of self governing, and now they’ll come to the West where we’ll teach them to become respectful, tolerant, democratic minded citizens.
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This is a joke…right?
 
Tbrightson said:
Nothing un catholic about telling someone to take the log out of their own eye. Lets have several hundred unvetted young muslim males move in to the vatican.
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It is if you are too ignorant to know what a log, or a wall is. Millions of “unvetted” people enter the Vatican every year, finding a warm welcome by the Holy Father, even though he knows nothing of them or their motives for being there. Your implication that the Holy Father is being hypocritical is wrong and ignorant if based on the misconception that he is behind some wall.

It seems I remember this whole “Pope hides behind Vatican walls and is a hypocrite” line came up earlier this year from Trump. At that time, various Catholics posted the “wall” going into the Vatican, which was no more that a demarcation in the pavement. I would have hoped that once around that illogical, false and totally ridiculous merry-go-round would have been enough.

The Holy Father is the moral teacher of the young people, not you and not I.
 
stevegravy said:
Well I read through the thread and no one has a clue how to tell the friendlies from the hostiles from the ones who self explode.
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How is this different than life? If I go to the grocery story, almost everyone I meet and interact with, I do so with no clue how to tell friendlies from hostiles. When a police pulls one over, he does not know the criminal from the non-criminal. When a man is pulled over by the police, he does not know the good officer from the bad cop. I think what you said is true, but it is a universal truth, and therefore of little use, unless one wants to play turtle in life and withdraw from all interaction with his fellow man. However, that is is not what Christian charity demands of us. We are to put aside fear of being hurt and reach out to those in need, even if we might sometimes be hurt.
 
The Holy Father is the moral teacher of the young people, not you and not I.
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Nonsense. So I shouldn’t be teaching my kids morals? You think the Pope can spare some time and come over to teach them?

The Holy Father opinions are not infallible, unless spoken ex cathedra, so I reserve the right to disagree with them.
 
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It is if you are too ignorant to know what a log, or a wall is. Millions of “unvetted” people enter the Vatican every year, finding a warm welcome by the Holy Father, even though he knows nothing of them or their motives for being there. Your implication that the Holy Father is being hypocritical is wrong and ignorant if based on the misconception that he is behind some wall.

It seems I remember this whole “Pope hides behind Vatican walls and is a hypocrite” line came up earlier this year from Trump. At that time, various Catholics posted the “wall” going into the Vatican, which was no more that a demarcation in the pavement. I would have hoped that once around that illogical, false and totally ridiculous merry-go-round would have been enough.

The Holy Father is the moral teacher of the young people, not you and not I.
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Tbrightson said:
The Holy Father is the moral teacher of the young people, not you and not I.
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I said “young people” not “my kids”. If you change words, you change meaning. In addition to words having actual meaning, context must be weighed in understanding what is meant. This thread is specifically on the Pope addressing the moral responsibility demanded of Christian youth, which is why I referred to “young people”. “My kids” is not part of this topic. A parent also, for good or bad, is a specific moral teacher. A parent can teach mercy or love, or intolerance and hate. This is why the Holy Father wants face time with youth to tell them of the love of Christ. Too many are raised where love of neighbor and welcoming of stranger is simply not part of the life of faith.
Looks like a wall to me
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You said, “I will take the Pope seriously on migrants, borders, etc when he tears down his OWN wall.” There is not wall around the Vatican. There are walls on some of the borders. What you and Trump have said in reference to this wall (not built by the Pope, btw) makes no more sense, than saying you and he will listen to the Pope when he repaints the Sistine chapel. The wall is an historical artifact that doesn’t even surround the Holy See.

The whole wall issue is also not even the topic. The topic is accepting migrants. What does the ancient history of Vatican architecture have to do with your disdain for the opinion of the Holy Father? Note, you did not say you disagree with him. You do not even take him seriously. Do you really think a Catholic should take what the Holy Father is teaching lightly, even if he disagrees? Even Martin Luther took the Pope in his day seriously.
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I said “young people” not “my kids”.
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Young people include “My Kids”, as they are young.

Yes the issue is migrants. And until the Pope lets them flood the Vatican and he supports them on his own dime, its do as I say, not as I do.

And yes I do disdain his leftist politics. He needs to stick to theology as it seems he could use more practice at it given all the confusion he has sown.
Do you really think a Catholic should take what the Holy Father is teaching lightly, even if he disagrees?
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Darn right I am not taking them lightly! If I didn’t I would just nod my head in agreement like a automaton.
 
Tbrightson said:
And yes I do disdain his leftist politics. He needs to stick to theology as it seems he could use more practice at it given all the confusion he has sown.
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He was not talking politics. He was teaching, as Jesus taught:
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Mercy, charity, humanity are not leftist.
Darn right I am not taking them lightly! If I didn’t I would just nod my head in agreement like a automaton.
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You said you wouldn’t take him seriously. Do you take the words of Jesus above seriously? If not, then what the Holy Father is teaching is a lesson that all need to learn.
 
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