Pope Francis urges youth to accept migrants on visit to Poland

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gracepoole said:
Christ spoke more mercifully about adulterers and thieves than what’s described when someone says of refugees, “They can always go back to where they came from instead of foisting their problems onto us.”
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It is easy to be merciful when you are an invincible deity. There is no excuse to be negligent in defense of the homeland. If that is mercy, then I want none of it.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I see no truth in placing the rights of jihadists rapist over the safety of my daughter, and the young girls of Europe who are just like her
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We reject that, too.

I don’t think any sane Christian is suggesting we place the rights of jihadist rapists over the safety of our daughters.

Sheesh.
 
Will we all realise the danger after the next terror attack ? or will it be the one after that, or the second or third or fourth one after that ?.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
I don’t mean to make this a debate on whether or not Poland was very accommodating to the Jews, but I’ll go with historical fact on this one.

There was a reason that most of the Jewish population was concentrated in Poland leading up to World War II and it wasn’t because Poland didn’t welcome them within their borders.

I’m sure there were Polish people who hated the Jews like other people who hated the Jews. I’m sure there were Germans that were accommodating towards the Jews even though the government wanted to exterminate them.

Maybe I should clarify that the Polish government at that time, unlike most of Europe, was very accommodating towards the Jews in pre-World War II Europe.
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The problem was the axis powers, specifically the Third Reich and its Satellite states were the one that were anti Semitic. The Empire of Japan actually saved a # of Jews during WW2, providing refuge to Jews who were escaping the Reich lands

huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/chiune-sugihara-japanese–jews-holocaust_n_2528666.html

Also many Jews lived in the USSR during WW2. Stalin outlawed antisemitism. 500,000 Jews served the red army during WW2, some were Generals. Some of the Top Soviet officials were Jews. It was for many Russian Jews a tremendous moment liberating the concentration camps which were full of fellow Jews. Its one of the great moments of history when those Russian Jews liberated fellow Jews.

youtube.com/watch?v=0V0RMf2qU18

Pope Francis by setting examples of helping Muslim refugees fleeing ISIL is following in the footsteps of the Catholics who during WW2 worked to save Jewish refugees who were fleeing the Third Reich.
 
starshiptrooper said:
It is easy to be merciful when you are an invincible deity. There is no excuse to be negligent in defense of the homeland. If that is mercy, then I want none of it.
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Might want to go back and look at that analogy one more time…
 
starshiptrooper said:
If there was an actual flaw, you would have pointed it out instead of trying to imply that one exists.
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:ehh:

Christ did not agree with adultery and thieving. Yet when he spoke of adulterers and thieves, he used more charity than you’ve used in describing refugees (who aren’t guilty of any moral failing). This is likely why another poster rightly noted that this kind of comment doesn’t reflect well on Catholics.

You don’t have to accept refugees into a country in order to speak of them charitably and with mercy.
 
PRmerger said:
We reject that, too.

I don’t think any sane Christian is suggesting we place the rights of jihadist rapists over the safety of our daughters.

Sheesh.
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I wouldn’t think so.
And yet, that is exactly what is happening, time after time.🤷

All in the name of some warped kind of mercy…
Sheesh is right.
 
gracepoole said:
:ehh:

Christ did not agree with adultery and thieving. Yet when he spoke of adulterers and thieves, he used more charity than you’ve used in describing refugees (who aren’t guilty of any moral failing). This is likely why another poster rightly noted that this kind of comment doesn’t reflect well on Catholics.

You don’t have to accept refugees into a country in order to speak of them charitably and with mercy.
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I prefer stating harsh truths to being nice, especially when it is a question of national security. If you want to believe these “refugees” are all eager for truth, justice and the American way, that is your prerogative. One can only hope that more people will not die or be raped because of it.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I wouldn’t think so.
And yet, that is exactly what is happening, time after time.🤷

All in the name of some warped kind of mercy…
Sheesh is right.
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Why don’t you give us some specifics.

How about 10 examples?

Names of jihadist rapists whose rights superceded the rights of someone’s daughter.

Proof is required that the rapist is a jihadist.

Thanks.
 
starshiptrooper said:
I prefer stating harsh truths to being nice, especially when it is a question of national security. If you want to believe these “refugees” are all eager for truth, justice and the American way, that is your prerogative. One can only hope that more people will not die or be raped because of it.
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Yes, let’s be harsh when speaking of the children that others in this thread have already mentioned.
 
PRmerger said:
Why don’t you give us some specifics.

How about 10 examples?

Names of jihadist rapists whose rights superceded the rights of someone’s daughter.

Proof is required that the rapist is a jihadist.

Thanks.
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I guess you would have to read the thread to understand.

Your welcome.
 
pnewton said:
With 1.6 billion Muslims, that would be 16 million suicide bombers in the world. I do not believe this math to be accurate. It has a feel of being made up.
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Reread what I wrote. I never said that there were 16 million suicide bombers in the world.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Sharia law is not compatible with civil law and society based on human and individual rights and responsibilities.

1 percent is a pretty good extimate of those involved in strapping on bombs to people and sending them onto a bus full of children.

40 percent is probably a low estimate for those who believe in sharia law, and things like those who insult Mohammed ought to be executed, as per sharia law.

The devil is in the details. If over half of Catholics would agree that people who insult the pope need to be executed by the machinations of the state, it would be not too broad of a brush to portray that as a pretty big part of Catholicism.

With over 50 percent of Catholics voting for the pro-abortion candidates in many or most elections, it is not too broad of a brush to say that Catholics are like that.

Add in an ecclesiastical law that is pro-choice, and it would be a pretty good picture of Catholicism too.

I for one want people to paint an accurate picture of Catholicism, or the Irish, or the British, even when it is ugly. Truth needs to take priority over feelings.
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I agree! 👍
 
Darryl1958 said:
I see no truth in placing the rights of jihadists rapist over the safety of my daughter, and the young girls of Europe who are just like her.

If that is what passes as Christian mercy these days, I am jumping off that bus.

It is a vile and filthy understanding of what mercy is all about to propose that.

Governments have first and foremost a responsibility to their own citizens.
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You are not; you are putting the rights of Muslims teenage girls and little children who are at serious risk of rape and murder first.

I am a young woman in Europe and I wish there were more refugees being relocated to where I live, because I care about injustice.
 
ShrodingersCat said:
You are not; you are putting the rights of Muslims teenage girls and little children who are at serious risk of rape and murder first.

I am a young woman in Europe and I wish there were more refugees being relocated to where I live, because I care about injustice.
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👍 :clapping: :bowdown:
 
Seamus_L said:
Will we all realise the danger after the next terror attack ? or will it be the one after that, or the second or third or fourth one after that ?.
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We all realise the danger.

If there are thousands of terrorist attacks it doesn’t excuse your responsibilities towards the innocent people who you’ve decided, based on their religion, should be left to suffer and die.

Let’s take it a step further. What about Syrian Christians? After all they LOOK the same as Syrian muslims. How can we tell that a Syrian who claims to be Christian isn’t just pretending? So, should we leave ALL Syrians to suffer and die, no matter their religion, at the risk that they are terrorists?
 
jediliz said:
for every 2500 (lets say) families that are truly seeking refuge, you also get at least one of these:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/01/belgian-priest-stabbed-in-his-home-after-refusing-to-give-cash-t/

The priest was kind and let the man use his shower. But after the priest declined to give him money, he got stabbed.
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Yup, and it’s no excuse to deny help to the 2500 innocent families (although I would say it’s more than 2500). In fact as Christians we are OBLIGED to help the 2500 families. Is there risk involved? Yes; it changes nothing.

You can make excuses and paint it any which way you want; ultimately if a particular person is in need and their need seems to be genuine, you are failing in your Christian duty by not helping them.
 
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