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It is not about a biologic link. It is that the cultural indoctrination is closely tied to the homosexual inclination. It is indoctrination. To separate that out is why the CDF document mentions deep seated tendency and transitory feelings.I do see recent history, and I can see that there are those within the Church’s hierarchy who are obviously trying to promote heterodox ideas, but I do not think that this promotion is part and parcel to their SSA.
That is basically my point. Those folks are the ones seeking entrance to the seminaries and were allowed in by the gatekeepers.All throughout history, there have been people who tried to promote heterodoxy. It just so happens that, in our current cultural times, homosexuality and whether or not it should be permitted to act upon it is a hot button issue. Homosexual people who are NOT interested in orthodoxy or chaste lives have the most to gain from breaking sexual mores of the Church; so it makes sense that some dishonest and heterodox homosexuals would be the ones, in our current culture, to try to change the Church from within.
Ok, but the distinction you are making is almost academic. In reality these ties are so close that they are rarely separated. And I would add the inclination has other problems associated with it aside from this cultural need to promote heterodoxy.But the point I was making is that these people’s problem, the thing that makes them dangerous as clergy, is NOT that they have SSA, but that they were willing to change the Church’s timeless Truth (if it were possible) to suit their desires and whims. And that’s a risk that is present across the board. In other situations, it could have been greed, or prejudice, etc., whose unorthodox strugglers took advantage of opportunities to try to mold the Church to their whims.
I agree it is not a genetic issue that promotes heterodoxy.But there is nothing about SSA, in and of itself, that makes those of us who struggle with it more prone to trying to mold the Church along heterodox lines than people with other temptations. That’s the implication that bothers me.
I think the Church has addressed this issue. It is not unlike other problems. It should be addressed privately for the most part. I really do not see how in this environment people would be unkind in the fact the reverse is true. Many would encourage you to act on it. That is a bigger issue these days.As for how people would know that I have SSA, those who do know are people that I have trusted with this. Do I wish that people could be more open about SSA publicly? Yes, but not so that they could “brag,” or “rub it in people’s faces,” but so that they wouldn’t live with the constant fear that “If friend X or relative Y knew that I struggled with this, they’d hate me.” If you know that you could potentially be public about something without extreme repercussions, then you feel much safer that you won’t be rejected when you open up about it on more intimate or localized settings, even if you never actually take advantage of the fact that you could, if you wanted, be more publicly open. That’s all that most of us want: We don’t want to shout anything from the mountains, we just want to be comfortable that, if our secret DID come out or when we DO trust someone with this, it won’t mean we’ll be ostracized and hated; that, if we DID openly share our struggles in the context of testimony so as to reach out to others hiding with this cross and make them feel less alone, that we wouldn’t be ruining our lives. Is that so much to ask?
I do believe that the Pope likely has good reason for what he says, and I myself felt that the priesthood was probably not the best option for me, partly due to my struggles with SSA (although if I hadn’t been struggling with pornography, etc., I wouldn’t have seen nearly so much of a problem), and so I left Seminary of my own initiative. But I don’t believe that every person with SSA would be as ill-suited to the priesthood as I would be. I can’t judge every person with SSA by my own shortcomings.
I posted his words to show that my position is not unique or wrong.The Pope’s words seem to me to have been pastoral and disciplinary, not doctrinal, so I think we are at liberty to believe that even if there is wisdom in his words there can also be exceptions for those men with SSA who are winning the battle against impurity more consistently.
It may not be doctrine but they are words of wisdom and I hope and pray the policy is not changed.When the Pope says something that is not Ex Cathedra, we are not bound to believe it as though it was doctrine, but we are called to weigh the wisdom of his words and give them proper respect and (as long as it’s Church policy) obedience; and indeed, I do believe that many men with SSA do struggle with a proper sense of paternity, because SSA often makes a man doubt his own masculinity. But I also believe it is fully possible for a man with SSA to conquer these insecurities, so that he can claim his masculinity more perfectly and be just as good a father figure as anyone. So therefore, although I respect and even grant the wisdom of the Pope’s words, I do not think they are applicable to every man who struggles with SSA, perhaps not even by a long shot. So there can be legitimate (and perfectly orthodox) change to this sort of policy, without denying the general wisdom of the Pope’s concern here.