Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"

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Hi everyone, I don’t understand when some of you say that Islam has been “hijacked by Satan”. From what I understand the founder of Islam, Mohammed, was not a peaceful man. I have read that he had people murdered and did a lot of horrible things. Please advise.
 
Hi everyone, I don’t understand when some of you say that Islam has been “hijacked by Satan”. From what I understand the founder of Islam, Mohammed, was not a peaceful man. I have read that he had people murdered and did a lot of horrible things. Please advise.
I thought the use of the word hijacked was a poor choice. Islam was wrong from the begining, deeply wrong because it denied the Son. You cannot go to the Father except by the Son, though this is mysterious. Islam has a great Truth: the God of Abraham, mixed with an evil lie about the nature of Jesus. Islam, therefore, was not hijacked, but blocked from the good from its conception.

There seems to be so many non-muslim apologists for Islam–even Bush. I pray for a revelation to the people trapped in Islam. Nothing is impossible to God.

peace
 
Islam has a great Truth: the God of Abraham, mixed with an evil lie about the nature of Jesus.
Do you say the same about the Jews? They have the same God but teach the wrong thing about Jesus. Is that an ‘evil lie’?

Mike
 
The jews do not preach religion by the sword or dhimmitude. The jews also have a special place in salvation history. But yes, absolutely, it is an evil lie when any mouth denies that Jesus is Lord.

Absolutely!

Muslims and Jews are not relative. One religion is post the new covenant and the final public revelation. Judaism is true in so far as the old covenant. Islam however could not have come from God for Jesus was the final eternal Word and perfect sacrifice. Jesus being God is sufficient. Any religion claiming revelation for salvation after Jesus and not through Jesus plainly does not have God as its author and being after Jesus implicitly denies His true nature for He is completely sufficient.
 
Is that site “ask the …”

Is that for real? I mean is it considered to be an offical site by Muslims?

Wow. That is one very strange site. I’m not sure what to say about that one.

I’m just hoping my computer does not get a virus or something now…
 
Do you say the same about the Jews? They have the same God but teach the wrong thing about Jesus. Is that an ‘evil lie’?

Mike
Christ came to fulfill the promises made to the Jews. Therefore, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. It is a continuity, not a contradiction. Islam is just a heresy.
 
I’m just hoping my computer does not get a virus or something now…
I was thinking the same thing. It’s hard to believe that’s real. There are answers to questions about cat’s hair and sea animals, for instance.

I had no idea that there is an Islamic law regarding the loss of one’s shoes:

The “Simplified Islamic Law” on "Losing One’s Shoes"

ISSUE 416: If someone’s shoes are taken, and in their place, another pair of shoes are left, then in the event that one knows that the shoes that are remaining are the property of the person who took his shoes, and this person will be content that the person (whose shoes were taken) takes his shoes in place of the stolen shoes, he can take these shoes in substitute for his own shoes (that were taken). However, if he knows that his shoes were taken unjustly or without right, and if the value of the shoes that are left behind.

Anyway, carry on…
 
Is that site “ask the [Ayatollah] …”

Is that for real? I mean is it considered to be an offical site by Muslims?
Yes, Damascus, it is a real site. Sayyid Ali Husaini Sistani is one of the Grand Ayatollah’s in Iraq. Much like our own apologists here on Catholic Answers, he answers questions posed to him.

Source:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ayatollah_Ali_al-Sistani

I first read of the Grand Ayatollah when Michelle Arnold wrote about him on Jimmy Akin’s blog site:

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/08/ask_an_ayatolla.html#comments
 
Yes, Damascus, it is a real site. Sayyid Ali Husaini Sistani is one of the Grand Ayatollah’s in Iraq. Much like our own apologists here on Catholic Answers, he answers questions posed to him.

Source:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ayatollah_Ali_al-Sistani

I first read of the Grand Ayatollah when Michelle Arnold wrote about him on Jimmy Akin’s blog site:

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/08/ask_an_ayatolla.html#comments
I was not challenging you by any means! I think I was just scratching my head and bewildered that they can expose themselves this way as an other poster mentioned…re:shoes and the like!
 
Christ came to fulfill the promises made to the Jews. Therefore, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism. It is a continuity, not a contradiction. Islam is just a heresy.
I’m aware of the relationships between Judiasm, Christianity and Islam, thank you anyway.

I don’t recall the Jews saying Jesus is the ‘Messiah’ or the Son of God, because the ones who do that are…err…Christians. So the Jews are also not telling the truth about the nature of Jesus. It wasn’t me that called that an ‘evil lie’, but if the Muslims are guilty of a ‘evil lie’, so are the Jews. Personally I wouldn’t describe either religion like that.

Mike
 
I’m aware of the relationships between Judiasm, Christianity and Islam, thank you anyway.

I don’t recall the Jews saying Jesus is the ‘Messiah’ or the Son of God, because the ones who do that are…err…Christians. So the Jews are also not telling the truth about the nature of Jesus. It wasn’t me that called that an ‘evil lie’, but if the Muslims are guilty of a ‘evil lie’, so are the Jews. Personally I wouldn’t describe either religion like that.

Mike
Eden said heresy! Come on.
 
Eden said heresy! Come on.
I know what he said. You should probably look through the whole thread. Eden said heresy, in respnse to my commenting on another poster who called it ‘an evil lie’.

Mike
 
The jews do not preach religion by the sword or dhimmitude. The jews also have a special place in salvation history. But yes, absolutely, it is an evil lie when any mouth denies that Jesus is Lord.

Absolutely!

Muslims and Jews are not relative. One religion is post the new covenant and the final public revelation. Judaism is true in so far as the old covenant. Islam however could not have come from God for Jesus was the final eternal Word and perfect sacrifice. Jesus being God is sufficient. Any religion claiming revelation for salvation after Jesus and not through Jesus plainly does not have God as its author and being after Jesus implicitly denies His true nature for He is completely sufficient.
Here is my quote under discussion. Do you agree with it or disagree? If you disagree with it, why?

And if it is a lie, who is the father of lies? Jesus is the bread of life. You cannot have life without Him. If someone lies to you and and gets you to believe He is not Who He is, that liar has spiritually removed life from you, for Jesus is the spiritual life (the way, the life, the truth; the bread of life)

Who is a spiritual murderer? Who brought death into the world?
 
Relinquisting the term I.F. doesnt lessen who they really are.

It may make us feel better but it dosnt change what is real.
What is real is that the Islamist terrorists are in no way fascists, not economically, not politically. It’s not a matter of PC, but of what is correct.
 
I’m aware of the relationships between Judiasm, Christianity and Islam, thank you anyway.

I don’t recall the Jews saying Jesus is the ‘Messiah’ or the Son of God, because the ones who do that are…err…Christians. So the Jews are also not telling the truth about the nature of Jesus.
Neither would I. For my part, I’ll follow what the Church says about each of those religions, and it’s not derogatory.
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Some things just make you seethe with anger. Consider the recent muslim outrage over the comments of Our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, in an academic address in Regensburg, Germany, this past week:In the seventh conversation [between the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian, in 1391,] the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). … [H]e turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words:
**Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.**The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death….The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature.
Now, remember first that this is a citation from a medieval text. Moreover, it is part of a long thesis, the conclusion of which is that violence should not be used to spread religion, and those who follow directions to do so are in error. In truth, the Pope’s thesis is not only historically accurate, but also quite non-judgmental and unbiased.

And the reaction to muslims worldwide? “We want to make it clear that if the pope does not appear on TV and apologize for his comments, we will blow up all of Gaza’s churches!” [The Sword of Islam]

Actions speak louder than words, and Islam doesn’t disappoint: Automatic weapons and bombs have left their signature on many churches in the Arab world. One Catholic nun was murdered in Mogadishu, Somalia. Muslim protestors burn statues of the Pope in effigy and carry posters saying “Trinity of evil,” “Jesus is slave to Allah” and “Islam will conquer Rome.”

So, regarding the “evil and inhuman” comment — case-in-point, quod erat demonstrandum, I say. This is all the more alarming if one considers that the citation referred to an Islam that existed in the Dark Ages; how sad (and scary) that nothing much has changed in six hundred years.

Concurrent with this madness, we mourn the recent loss of Oriana Fallaci. Andrew Cusack provides the best eulogy:Oriana Fallaci, that indomitable and cantankerous Italian, has finally succumbed to cancer in her native land. … While an ardent leftist, she was an unrepentant foe of what she saw as the Islamic colonization of Europe. Her diatribes against the Muslim immigrants who habitually pissed on the walls of Florence cathedral earned her the ire of many, and legal proceedings were initiated against her in France. The liberal commentator Christopher Hitchens described her work as “an example of how not to write about Islam”. She began writing her infamous The Rage and the Pride, a book teeming with passion and righteous indignation, on September 11, 2001 at her home in New York. … Oriana Fallaci will be buried tommorrow [19 September 2006] … in Florence. There will be no funeral.After she vented her ire in The Rage and the Pride, Fallaci responded to criticism with the more rational and eloquent The Force of Reason.

But I assure you now, if she heard and saw these muslims today, she’d tell them to take their Sword of Islam and shove it up their…

The West needs to stop trying to be so P.C. and realize that their does exist Truth. The truth, here, is that the Pope did nothing wrong: His comments were statement of historical fact, not accusatory or defamatory, but said to illustrate a point. The truth is that Islam has once again demonstrated itself to be violent and intolerant. The truth is that it is muslims who have injured and blasphemed. They are the ones who murdered a poor, innocent 65-year-old nun. They are the ones who have bombed churches. They are the ones who hijacked planes and murdered thousands on September 11. They are the ones who continually plot to hurt and kill thousands of others, each and every day. If anyone needs to ‘apologize publicly,’ it is Islam.
 
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Correct.

Neither would I. For my part, I’ll follow what the Church says about each of those religions, and it’s not derogatory
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I am the other poster.
Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. I did not make a blanket statement about ANY religion, but I did make statements proclaiming Jesus is Lord and to say that He is not is an evil lie. This lie is a lie of murder, for anyone who believes Jesus is not Lord turns their back on the bread of life. I stand by that.

DO YOU?

I ask again who is the murderer and father of lies? What bigger lie is their than that lie about Jesus. What other lie could be more spiritually murderous?
 
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