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]The question was to providing the source material by which the names you listed asserted the invalidity of excommunication of the 4 bishops. Having reviewed the various materials from Mr. Michael Davis which you provided, I did not see an ad rem response.
I’m genuinely sorry, but I can’t find this response. Can you give me the posting #?
As you will see by perusing the documents, and as I have previously pointed out, the pope did not intervene at all except to mention Cdl Gantin’s declaration in his own Motu proprio Ecclesia Dei as a fait accompli - that means - a fait accompli by Cdl Gantin. I have discovered that this kind of doubletalk is now standard from the Vatican.It also perpetrates the incorrect notion that the Roman curia itself (in the three named cardinals) have acted against a jurisdictional decision of the pope.
[Hmmmm- if I were into point scoring, i would question the use of that monster as a role model. It is he who responded to a papal monition with the words 'another f*rt from the pope".However, it usefully provided that the PCILT note found that no reason to believe that a canonical extenuating circumstance existed. (Here I recall Luther’s “here I stand, I can do no other” and marvel at some native similarities in the situations.)
*Of course the PCILT deny the fact in black and white in front of them. It is not in dispute that the Party Line is that lafebvre’s excommnication was valid. hence they cannot accept the plainest statements in the JCR that refute them. The real question is, how far can the PCILT’s statement be defended in jurisprudence and common justice, not to mention common sense? How far can we accept an ‘interpretation’ of the statement “this is white” that declares ‘this actually says, “this is black?”’
Reasonable. However, you will not find any reputable attempt to deny what the thesis actually stated. Admittedly, I haven’t a signed copy of the thesis to upload. But I hope an enquiry to the University would be fruitful.However, the Murray thesis (which applied to the adherents of the society rather than to the 4) needs to be understood by looking at an actual published article (it was a licentiate thesis) and not a secondary source that talks about it, no matter how extensively.
Unfortunately, all those who contribute have a point of view. This characteristic is by no means confined to those in sympathy with the SSPX position (not that I’m implying that you believe that - I mention it for completeness.)I will recommend a more cautious approach to what people say rather than what those with a point of view assert they say from secondary and tertiary undocumented sources subject to alteration. I think this approach will be more useful to discussion and the discovery of truth.