Pope met with Kentucky clerk Kim Davis during his US trip, according to her lawyers

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The only thing that kinda makes me bugged a bit about this is that, wasn’t Kim Davis re-married 4 times? & had children out of wedlock, & I keep hearing that she believes that if you’re anything besides Pentecostal or something, that you’re going to hell …I’m still looking for where that was written, but I’ve heard a few people mention that …anyways I don’t know the details of the meeting so I can’t judge.
She was married several times before she became Christian (or took her faith seriously, depending on if she is a revert). It seems those behaviors were before her conversion, and she seems to be living a Christian lifestyle now.

As to her beliefs on Catholics, I do not know. Some Pentecostals think Catholics are going to hell, others do not. She accepted a meeting with the Pope, and enjoyed the visit. Apparently he gave her a couple of rosaries and she gave them to her parents. So I would assume that she views Catholics in a favorable light.
 
I’ll wait for the pictures or the Vatican word.
I think so too. 👍 If the Pope really met with Ms. Davis wouldn’t something about their meeting have been mentioned in the news?

I do not want to rush to false judgement toward Ms. Davis’ lawyers on this so I agree it is better to wait for either pictures or word from the Vatican.
 
The only thing that kinda makes me bugged a bit about this is that, wasn’t Kim Davis re-married 4 times? & had children out of wedlock.
I guess it’s a good thing repentence is a thing that Christians are called to do.
 
If she met with the Pope…the fact he gave her and her husband blessed Rosaries…which she said they were giving away…most people…even most Protestants I think would be honored if the Pope met with them…offered his support and gave them Rosaries…why did she have to tell the press she was giving them away…as a former Pentecostal I am suspicious of her motives if the story is true…many fundamentalist Christians consider Catholics to be idol worshipers…the Catholic Church The Whore of Babylon and the Pope the Anti Christ…they can be very dogmatic and judgmental in their interpretation of scripture…is she making a statement against the Catholic Church by giving the Rosaries away…Catholics who don’t know much about fundamental protestants may not see it as unusual…I am suspicious as to her motives for making that public.
 
That’s an assumption on your part. It could be that they didn’t want the story to arise while the Pope was in the country, and take away from other things they wanted the media to focus on, or it could be that they wanted to send a small message of support and not make it a huge message. So they leave it as unconfirmed, and the story is out, but not blaring through the media. We simply don’t know the motivation and until they say so, it is a guess on our part.

In charity, we should assume that Mrs Davis and her attorneys have not violated confidentiality they agreed to.
Well said.👍
 
Kim Davis and the trap for Pope Francis huff.to/1QN80wE
This article is exactly why I think it was a tactical error for Papa Francis not to explicitly mention gay marriage (and other issues) in his address to congress. There are so many tidbits in here that show how his indirect approach has led the media to believe he is at best, ambivalent about gay marriage.

From the article (emphasis mine):
The meeting between Pope Francis and Kim Davis threatens to overshadow the success of the Pope’s visit to the United States. The response to the visit says a lot about the climate created in the United States around the pope’s visit and the inability for some in the church to acknowledge and receive Pope Francis. It says nothing, however, about the position of the pope, the concrete case of Kim Davis, the question of LGBT Catholics in general or same-sex marriage in the civil society. To understand the contours of the meeting we should keep in mind a few things.
Already the spin occurs that maybe, just maybe, Papa Francis is not opposed to gay marriage. After all, since he says nothing about “same-sex marriage in the civil society,” the left is free to believe whatever they will.

And this is demonstrated later (emphasis mine):
Third point: The fact that the case has been artfully assembled is confirmed not only by the embarrassed reluctance of the Vatican to comment (after confirming the meeting), but by the climate before the pope’s visit to America. In his address to American bishops, the pope warned against the temptation to use the cross as a symbol for political struggles. The pope’s visit has disappointed ideologues of the political-religious “culture wars” in America, especially those who tried to make Kim Davis a martyr of Church against gay marriage. Perhaps those who organized the meeting for the Vatican have escaped seeing the televised catwalks of Kim Davis with several Republican candidates for president of the United States and were, therefore, without sufficient information. In his public speeches,** Francis carefully avoided presenting himself as a “cultural warrior.”** Still, someone decided to put in the same room and in front of the Pope the witness of a Christian style exactly opposite to his own.
If everyone is aware of the Church’s (and the Pope’s) opinion on gay marriage and there’s no need to explicit speak out about it (as some here on CAF claim), why refer to gay marriage as a cultural issue, and not the moral issue that the Church holds it to be? By being silent on the morality of gay marriage, the left can continue the narrative that gay “marriage” is a cultural issue, outside the purview of the Church.

Finally (emphasis, again, mine);
In conclusion, what messages does the meeting convey? Two things. First, it tells us nothing about what the pope thinks about gay people. Even his statements on the right to conscientious objection, made at a press conference on the return flight from Philadelphia, never referred to the case of Kim Davis. To understand Francis and the question of LGBT people in the church and in society, there are speeches, recent and older, from his time as pope, bishop and cardinal. The Synod of Bishops, which opens Sunday in Rome, will also discuss this.
Again, if the Church’s (and the Pope’s) position are so well known, why do we need to even look to this meeting with Mrs Davis to know what the Pope thinks about gay people? His indirect reference to gay “marriage” in his speech allows the left to continue with this false idea that somehow Papa Francis is different. The left thinks they can find, in his silence, tacit approval. By saying his visit “tells us nothing” they can claim that he has nothing to say. And if he has nothing to say, then it must be ok as it is.
 
The only thing that kinda makes me bugged a bit about this is that, wasn’t Kim Davis re-married 4 times? & had children out of wedlock, & I keep hearing that she believes that if you’re anything besides Pentecostal or something, that you’re going to hell …I’m still looking for where that was written, but I’ve heard a few people mention that …anyways I don’t know the details of the meeting so I can’t judge.
How do you feel about Mary Magdalene, the fact that Jesus appeared to her first? How do you see his thinking there?

What did he mean when he said all who are not against us are for us?
 
I heard a Vatican official does confirm it and he has a name. Is it Frederico or Lombardi? I heard it said. I was trying to remember it.
The spokesman for the Vatican press office, Fr. Frederico Lombardi (you were right on both counts ;)) said:

“I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comments to add."

I believe that’s what she was referring to when she said the Vatican will neither confirm nor deny. His answer was not an explicit confirmation.
 
The spokesman for the Vatican press office, Fr. Frederico Lombardi (you were right on both counts ;)) said:

“I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comments to add."

I believe that’s what she was referring to when she said the Vatican will neither confirm nor deny. His answer was not an explicit confirmation.
But it was an explicit denial of the claim that the meeting did not take place. 😉
 
this is the first I have heard that the Pope met with Kim Davis. I hope the story is true. what an honor!
I thought about this more and I agree with what this poster said. 👍

I had not heard that the Pope met with Kim Davis either but really hope this story is true.🙂
 
I don’t know that the Vatican official would necessarily anticipate the reaction.

I think back to the lifting of the excommunications of the SSPX bishops. When that happened, there was a media firestorm because one of them was a Holocaust denier—a fact that Benedict later admitted he simply did not know. And had he known it, he would have handled it differently.

Back when that happened, I remember thinking “How could the Vatican now know? I mean, even I knew that!” But then the realization came that simply because something is “common knowledge” on this forum or even all over the U.S. news does not mean that it is front and center on the Vatican’s radar screen.
For whatever reason the Vatican allowed this meeting to take place, I would have to think that they underestimated the media firestorm that it has created and it has definitely interjected the Pope right into the middle of the Culture Wars that he has criticized in his public speeches and this meeting with Kim Davis has, if anything, fanned the flames of those Culture Wars. 🤷
 
“You can’t take his presence with somebody as his affirmation of everything that they stand for,” said Cathleen Kaveny, a theologian and legal scholar at Boston College. “He thanked her for her courage and told her to stay strong. That’s a commitment to her voice in the conversation. I don’t think it’s necessarily commitment to her policy views.”

Staver’s revelation that Francis met his Apostolic Christian client at the Vatican Embassy after speaking to Congress provided a stunning coda to the pope’s triumphant visit, which ended Sunday.

Francis largely steered clear of culture war issues, telling the U.S. bishops to avoid “harsh and divisive” language despite the challenges they face in society.

mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_28902469/vatican-observers-raise-questions-over-kim-davis-pope
 
For whatever reason the Vatican allowed this meeting to take place, I would have to think that they underestimated the media firestorm that it has created and it has definitely interjected the Pope right into the middle of the Culture Wars that he has criticized in his public speeches and this meeting with Kim Davis has, if anything, fanned the flames of those Culture Wars. 🤷
Did Thomas More fan the flames of Culture Wars? Was he justified in refusing to acquiesce to Henry’s demand for a divorce? Or was he just being intolerant and imposing a Catholic theocracy?

I believe that the Pope as a practicing Christian could do no other. He is obligated to defend the flock practicing the tenets of the faith, including the Church’s definition of marriage. IMHO, it is unreasonable to demand that Christians in this country violate their faith in their place of employment, including their government duties. I don’t think this is a “hateful” or “intolerant” statement. I am confident religious liberty and gay marriage can coexist. (Kim Davis has received death threats and is avoiding the public eye - that is why it was done undercover, and also I agree that the Pope was not trying to alienate anyone at all here.) It was a peaceful, generous act to a fellow Christian, especially as she is not even a Catholic. To me, this speaks better of the Pope. Oh, and btw, my hair stood on end when I saw the Pope with the Marxist crucifix or with Fidel Castro. But I said to myself - that is my problem - Jesus loves all, even his persecutors. I think this is where the Pope is coming from, seriously. He loves people I don’t like; he loves people you don’t like. I don’t want my Pope acting differently than that.
 
For whatever reason the Vatican allowed this meeting to take place, I would have to think that they underestimated the media firestorm that it has created and it has definitely interjected the Pope right into the middle of the Culture Wars that he has criticized in his public speeches and this meeting with Kim Davis has, if anything, fanned the flames of those Culture Wars. 🤷
Right. To think Pope Francis publicly spoke out against polarization only to deliberately contribute to it is difficult to believe. That would be out of character.

Just an aside, I was reading this article on Crux and found this observation a bit amusing:

Conservative Catholics often complain that Pope Francis, especially in his unscripted moments, sows confusion. Now, for a change, progressives are grappling with that frustration.

Honestly, though, I haven’t found Pope Francis to be that confusing. I always approach everything he says as coming from the vantage point of someone who is Catholic. Then it all makes perfect sense. 😉
 
I don’t know that the Vatican official would necessarily anticipate the reaction.

I think back to the lifting of the excommunications of the SSPX bishops. When that happened, there was a media firestorm because one of them was a Holocaust denier—a fact that Benedict later admitted he simply did not know. And had he known it, he would have handled it differently.

Back when that happened, I remember thinking “How could the Vatican now know? I mean, even I knew that!” But then the realization came that simply because something is “common knowledge” on this forum or even all over the U.S. news does not mean that it is front and center on the Vatican’s radar screen.
You’re right, Joe. I’m sure the Vatican officials did not research Kim Davis or realize how controversial she is. To them, she was probably just a woman refusing to bow to SSM. All the facts were not known so could not be considered. Like Benedict, I’m sure had all the facts been known about Kim Davis, Pope Francis probably would have not met with her.
 
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